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> We offer Customers a choice around these practices. I remembered the joke from The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, maybe they will have a small hint in a v

> We offer Customers a choice around these practices. I remembered the joke from The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, maybe they will have a small hint in a very inconspicuous place, like inserting this into the user agreement on page 300 or so.

m463 2y ago
Never more true than with apple. Activating an iphone for example has a screen devoted to how privacy is important! It will show you literally thousands of pages of how they take privacy seriously! (and you can't say NO anywhere in the dialog, they just show you) They are normalizing "you cannot do anything", and then everyone does it.
- Terretta 2y ago
  Which third party does Apple sell your profile to or your data to? What do they do with the content of your emails for advertising? Which credit card networks at which retailers feed that same profile? So it’s certainly “more true” with, well, every other vendor you can buy a phone from in a telco store or big box store.
  - talldayo 2y ago
    > Which third party does Apple sell your profile to or your data to? almost every single municipal government including but not limited to politically sanctioned nations: https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/ https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/ Seriously, for your sake; don't do this whole "I am the champion of Apple's righteousness" shtick. Apple doesn't care about privacy. That's the bottom line, you lack the authority to prove otherwise.
  - m463 2y ago
    why do they feel entitled to collect and use the data for any purpose if I don't want it?
bigfudge 2y ago
But the plans were on display…” “On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them.” “That’s the display department.” “With a flashlight.” “Ah, well, the lights had probably gone.” “So had the stairs.” “But look, you found the notice, didn’t you?” “Yes,” said Arthur, “yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying ‘Beware of the Leopard.

m463 2y ago

Never more true than with apple. Activating an iphone for example has a screen devoted to how privacy is important! It will show you literally thousands of pages of how they take privacy seriously! (and you can't say NO anywhere in the dialog, they just show you) They are normalizing "you cannot do anything", and then everyone does it.

Terretta 2y ago
Which third party does Apple sell your profile to or your data to? What do they do with the content of your emails for advertising? Which credit card networks at which retailers feed that same profile? So it’s certainly “more true” with, well, every other vendor you can buy a phone from in a telco store or big box store.
- talldayo 2y ago
  > Which third party does Apple sell your profile to or your data to? almost every single municipal government including but not limited to politically sanctioned nations: https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/ https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/ Seriously, for your sake; don't do this whole "I am the champion of Apple's righteousness" shtick. Apple doesn't care about privacy. That's the bottom line, you lack the authority to prove otherwise.
- m463 2y ago
  why do they feel entitled to collect and use the data for any purpose if I don't want it?

bigfudge 2y ago

But the plans were on display…” “On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them.” “That’s the display department.” “With a flashlight.” “Ah, well, the lights had probably gone.” “So had the stairs.” “But look, you found the notice, didn’t you?” “Yes,” said Arthur, “yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying ‘Beware of the Leopard.