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The impact isn't merely aesthetic. For one thing, it can be costly to remove graffiti. And when it's on publicly owned property, who pays for that removal? The
by ldjb 2y ago
The impact isn't merely aesthetic.
For one thing, it can be costly to remove graffiti. And when it's on publicly owned property, who pays for that removal? The public, of course.
If, for example, a train is the target of graffiti, it will often need to be taken out of service. This, then, results in a degraded service to the travelling public.
Furthermore, graffiti artists often put themselves in dangerous situations. Numerous people have been seriously injured or killed when doing graffiti. That not only sucks for them, but also has various knock-on effects.
Some graffiti art can look really nice, whereas others have little artistic value. Regardless, the negative impacts of graffiti should not be overlooked.
- matrix_overload 2y agoWhy does this comment read like it's written by AI?
- walterbell 2y agoObservations affect the observer?
- saagarjha 2y agoBecause the only other group of people who use transitions so often are third graders making sentences from templates.
- ben_w 2y agoPossibly because AI was trained on humans. The "furthermore" and the "Regardless, the negative impacts of graffiti should not be overlooked" do feel a bit AI-esq these days, but it was only yesterday that I myself felt like I was writing like an LLM by responding to a "you misunderstood, I meant …" with an "ah, now I understand": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40380692 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40380692
- thuuuomas 2y ago> The impact isn't merely aesthetic. For one thing, it can be costly to remove graffiti. The cost incurred here is a choice the owner makes when they disagree with the aesthetics of the graffiti.
- ldjb 2y agoWe're talking about public property here. Many authorities have a 'no tolerance' approach to graffiti. Even if it looks nice, it will be removed. There is a belief that removing graffiti quickly discourages it. If graffiti artists find that their work won't last long, they may be discouraged from doing it in the first place. Aesthetics doesn't really come into it.
- TillE 2y agoI dunno about the entirety of Germany, but I don't think I've ever seen graffiti removed in Berlin, and there's a ton of it. It's fine, nobody cares.
- Symbiote 2y agoGraffiti on trains in Berlin is very quickly removed.
- portaouflop 2y agoHaha thanks for the light chuckle as I wake up
- wiseowise 2y agoIs it fine or public just fed up constantly removing it?
- lloeki 2y ago> There is a belief that removing graffiti quickly discourages it. If graffiti artists find that their work won't last long, they may be discouraged from doing it in the first place. Ephemerality is known, understood, accepted, and even leveraged in art. I don't think this is an efficient deterrent, or even a deterrent at all.
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- ldjb 2y agoIn a democratic society, if citizens are particularly concerned about the aesthetics of public property, they can make their views known to the relevant authorities and elected representatives, and it could even become an election issue. I think that's far better than citizens fighting with paint.
- rjh29 2y agoBroken window theory. Once a few things have graffiti, it will quickly proliferate including stuff that isn't exactly aesthetic.
- vasco 2y agoAny cursory googling will yield several papers debunking the broken window theory for you.
- rjh29 2y agoSorry, I used the term incorrectly. I'm not suggesting that graffiti increases crime, only that the presence of graffiti encourages more graffiti. I live in Japan which is usually free of litter, put a few empty beer cans on the floor and come back 24 hours after and you will have a trash pile. I don't need a paper to tell me that.
- nextaccountic 2y agoWhy remove it?
- stormking 2y agoBecause 99.99% of it is shit and the rest is barely above shit.