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> Keffals, mentioned in the article, is close associates with and supported by Deviant Ollam and his wife Tarah, who was a senior director at Splunk and Symante

> Keffals, mentioned in the article, is close associates with and supported by Deviant Ollam and his wife Tarah, who was a senior director at Splunk and Symantec and is a fellow at Council on Foreign Relations. As someone familiar with all three, this is extremely disappointing to hear about. I have a lot of respect for Deviant, I can only hope he isn't very close to Keffals, or at the least isn't aware of the sheer number of scummy things they have done.

busterarm 2y ago
Folks in the hacker community have a long history of being too forgiving of what should be hard-avoid character flaws. That's a big part of why these reputation-erasing, behind-closed-door censorship networks exist to begin with. One of infosec's biggest twitter cancel-brigade queens was also the most prolific troll in GNAA and had a long, public history of grooming underage males but everyone looks the other way and celebrates her accomplishments. She literally got a job on Biden's campaign and yet barely anyone talks about it.
- DaSHacka 2y ago
  > Folks in the hacker community have a long history of being too forgiving of what should be hard-avoid character flaws. Maybe, and while most are definitely quite progressive, I would hope most of them (including Deviant) do what they truly believe is the right thing. He has since deleted all his posts relating him to Keffals, so it's possible he just didn't realize how deep the rabbit hole went and has since chosen to cut off ties. > She literally got a job on Biden's campaign and yet barely anyone talks about it. Do you have a source for this?
  - busterarm 2y ago
    > Do you have a source for this? I'm not talking about Keffals here. What I am talking about was reported in a newspaper but is common knowledge to longtime NYC2600 folks.
  - narism 2y ago
    A couple podcasts on the person they are referring to: https://www.blockedandreported.org/p/episode-164-the-tortured-patrick https://www.blockedandreported.org/p/episode-164-the-torture... https://www.blockedandreported.org/p/episode-165-the-tortured-patrick https://www.blockedandreported.org/p/episode-165-the-torture... Oh, and the real Torswats allegedly turned out to be a California teenager: https://www.wired.com/story/torswats-swatting-arrest/ https://www.wired.com/story/torswats-swatting-arrest/
    - busterarm 2y ago
      When you know, you know. :)
  - busterarm 2y ago
    Also, I can only rely on memory here, but I believe that Ollam only deleted his tweets with Keffals in the previous few months since Mutahar announced publicly that he was investigating Keffals for a video. Not in the wake of other less visible creators voicing literally the exact same concerns. Not the doxxing campaigns, not the Catboy Ranch stuff and not the DIY hormone website stuff. I get it. He's a very busy guy...but if you're going to engage in activism you need to be extra guarded about who your associations are with.

busterarm 2y ago

Folks in the hacker community have a long history of being too forgiving of what should be hard-avoid character flaws. That's a big part of why these reputation-erasing, behind-closed-door censorship networks exist to begin with. One of infosec's biggest twitter cancel-brigade queens was also the most prolific troll in GNAA and had a long, public history of grooming underage males but everyone looks the other way and celebrates her accomplishments. She literally got a job on Biden's campaign and yet barely anyone talks about it.

DaSHacka 2y ago
> Folks in the hacker community have a long history of being too forgiving of what should be hard-avoid character flaws. Maybe, and while most are definitely quite progressive, I would hope most of them (including Deviant) do what they truly believe is the right thing. He has since deleted all his posts relating him to Keffals, so it's possible he just didn't realize how deep the rabbit hole went and has since chosen to cut off ties. > She literally got a job on Biden's campaign and yet barely anyone talks about it. Do you have a source for this?
- busterarm 2y ago
  > Do you have a source for this? I'm not talking about Keffals here. What I am talking about was reported in a newspaper but is common knowledge to longtime NYC2600 folks.
- narism 2y ago
  A couple podcasts on the person they are referring to: https://www.blockedandreported.org/p/episode-164-the-tortured-patrick https://www.blockedandreported.org/p/episode-164-the-torture... https://www.blockedandreported.org/p/episode-165-the-tortured-patrick https://www.blockedandreported.org/p/episode-165-the-torture... Oh, and the real Torswats allegedly turned out to be a California teenager: https://www.wired.com/story/torswats-swatting-arrest/ https://www.wired.com/story/torswats-swatting-arrest/
  - busterarm 2y ago
    When you know, you know. :)
- busterarm 2y ago
  Also, I can only rely on memory here, but I believe that Ollam only deleted his tweets with Keffals in the previous few months since Mutahar announced publicly that he was investigating Keffals for a video. Not in the wake of other less visible creators voicing literally the exact same concerns. Not the doxxing campaigns, not the Catboy Ranch stuff and not the DIY hormone website stuff. I get it. He's a very busy guy...but if you're going to engage in activism you need to be extra guarded about who your associations are with.