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I have Tesla FSD and I've started to use it more since v12 came out. It really does drive like a human and is impressively good. The only reason I don't use it

I have Tesla FSD and I've started to use it more since v12 came out. It really does drive like a human and is impressively good. The only reason I don't use it all the time now is because every 15-60 seconds you need to nudge the steering wheel (or change volume or speed) so it knows you are paying attention. Elon said they are going to be removing that nudge in the coming weeks. Once they do that I'll be using it a lot more and it's going to be like having my own Waymo car to take me places.

cchance 2y ago
I'm with you since v12 i basically use it every time i drive, except for the damn drive way the only thing it doesn't handle yet
saagarjha 2y ago
Do you plan to stop paying attention?
- sharms 2y ago
  Ironically when you are not paying attention, it is the least safe to disengage FSD. Ideally all drivers not paying attention would have FSD safety features auto engage to stop them from causing accidents.
  - afavour 2y ago
    The point the OP is making is that FSD allows you to stop paying attention. If you don’t even have to so much as hold the wheel it stands to reason your attention is more likely to drift.
- xkqd 2y ago
  Unfortunately this will be inevitable, and this one we can chock up to human biology. The average person isn’t going to close their eyes and take a nap, but the average person will start spacing out, will start seeking their phone out to kill boredom, etc.
  - croisillon 2y ago
    some fidget with their phone while driving regular cars though
    - dzhiurgis 2y ago
      I occasionally need to go back to my shitty legacy ICE car and it's insane how hard it is to manage kids + snacks + phone without autopilot.
      - brokenmachine 2y ago
        You should hand in your license.
        dzhiurgis 2y ago
        Driving on a foreign licence while I can. Don't think they can take that away.
        saagarjha 2y ago
        I am sure that driving unsafely and getting caught doing it will change that.
  - dzhiurgis 2y ago
    Detecting spacing out would probably hard (cameras need to track iris pretty well). Being on your phone is completely different thing tho. I'm sure nags for distracted driving will stay for a while.
- tejohnso 2y ago
  If you can't stop paying attention, what's the point? I don't see the advantage of having an untrustworthy driver assisting me. It's just a liability, or at least another responsibility. The lying is bad enough to turn me away regardless of the performance. If you call something FULL. SELF. DRIVING. then explain that it is not in fact fully driving itself, I'm not interested in your product. FSD means I should be able to talk to my watch and have the car arrive to pick me up like I'm Michael Knight.
  - Verdex 2y ago
    My jokey conspiracy theory is that humanity has had full self driving cars since the late 80s. "They" just let you think that you're really driving your car, but every move is actually made by the AI. It only diverges from your input when your input would have otherwise caused a crash. Meanwhile, you're so distracted by the narrowly avoided car crash that you don't notice that an AI took over. However, you can't save everyone because then people would get suspicious. So "They" calculate social scores for everyone and people with a sufficiently low score don't get saved when they mess up. The real punchline here, though, is exactly what you say: > If you can't stop paying attention, what's the point? Why would anyone actually want a full self driving car that you have to pay attention to all the time outside of a shadowy cabal from a half-baked conspiracy theory? I'm really not sure.
  - aeternum 2y ago
    It's called Full Self Driving Beta. That means FSD is the goal not the reality. If you don't see the advantage until it is actual FSD, then simply wait to purchase/use it until it is out of beta.
- nprateem 2y ago
  And if (when) they do, are they prepared for the court case for driving without due care and attention if there's a crash?
- dzhiurgis 2y ago
  What's the point of self driving if you have to babysit it? Paying attention != nags. You can be staring into traffic and holding wheel and still not paying attention (which nags do help with). Nags when you are paying attention is super annoying tho. Being on your phone, etc is completely different category. That is distracted driving.
JohnMakin 2y ago
> It really does drive like a human This is not the selling point you may think it is, and not what was promised
spookie 2y ago
I hope you still keep focused on what it's doing when that comes out, for your sake.
gwbas1c 2y ago
> The only reason I don't use it all the time now is because every 15-60 seconds you need to nudge the steering wheel (or change volume or speed) so it knows you are paying attention. I often drive with my elbow on the top of the door, hand on the side of the wheel. The weight of my arm is enough that I frequently go many minutes without needing to nudge. Otherwise, I agree. The nudging is so annoying that it's "more fun" to just drive.

cchance 2y ago

I'm with you since v12 i basically use it every time i drive, except for the damn drive way the only thing it doesn't handle yet

saagarjha 2y ago

Do you plan to stop paying attention?

sharms 2y ago
Ironically when you are not paying attention, it is the least safe to disengage FSD. Ideally all drivers not paying attention would have FSD safety features auto engage to stop them from causing accidents.
- afavour 2y ago
  The point the OP is making is that FSD allows you to stop paying attention. If you don’t even have to so much as hold the wheel it stands to reason your attention is more likely to drift.
xkqd 2y ago
Unfortunately this will be inevitable, and this one we can chock up to human biology. The average person isn’t going to close their eyes and take a nap, but the average person will start spacing out, will start seeking their phone out to kill boredom, etc.
- croisillon 2y ago
  some fidget with their phone while driving regular cars though
  - dzhiurgis 2y ago
    I occasionally need to go back to my shitty legacy ICE car and it's insane how hard it is to manage kids + snacks + phone without autopilot.
    - brokenmachine 2y ago
      You should hand in your license.
      - dzhiurgis 2y ago
        Driving on a foreign licence while I can. Don't think they can take that away.
        saagarjha 2y ago
        I am sure that driving unsafely and getting caught doing it will change that.
- dzhiurgis 2y ago
  Detecting spacing out would probably hard (cameras need to track iris pretty well). Being on your phone is completely different thing tho. I'm sure nags for distracted driving will stay for a while.
tejohnso 2y ago
If you can't stop paying attention, what's the point? I don't see the advantage of having an untrustworthy driver assisting me. It's just a liability, or at least another responsibility. The lying is bad enough to turn me away regardless of the performance. If you call something FULL. SELF. DRIVING. then explain that it is not in fact fully driving itself, I'm not interested in your product. FSD means I should be able to talk to my watch and have the car arrive to pick me up like I'm Michael Knight.
- Verdex 2y ago
  My jokey conspiracy theory is that humanity has had full self driving cars since the late 80s. "They" just let you think that you're really driving your car, but every move is actually made by the AI. It only diverges from your input when your input would have otherwise caused a crash. Meanwhile, you're so distracted by the narrowly avoided car crash that you don't notice that an AI took over. However, you can't save everyone because then people would get suspicious. So "They" calculate social scores for everyone and people with a sufficiently low score don't get saved when they mess up. The real punchline here, though, is exactly what you say: > If you can't stop paying attention, what's the point? Why would anyone actually want a full self driving car that you have to pay attention to all the time outside of a shadowy cabal from a half-baked conspiracy theory? I'm really not sure.
- aeternum 2y ago
  It's called Full Self Driving Beta. That means FSD is the goal not the reality. If you don't see the advantage until it is actual FSD, then simply wait to purchase/use it until it is out of beta.
nprateem 2y ago
And if (when) they do, are they prepared for the court case for driving without due care and attention if there's a crash?
dzhiurgis 2y ago
What's the point of self driving if you have to babysit it? Paying attention != nags. You can be staring into traffic and holding wheel and still not paying attention (which nags do help with). Nags when you are paying attention is super annoying tho. Being on your phone, etc is completely different category. That is distracted driving.

JohnMakin 2y ago

> It really does drive like a human This is not the selling point you may think it is, and not what was promised

spookie 2y ago

I hope you still keep focused on what it's doing when that comes out, for your sake.

gwbas1c 2y ago

> The only reason I don't use it all the time now is because every 15-60 seconds you need to nudge the steering wheel (or change volume or speed) so it knows you are paying attention. I often drive with my elbow on the top of the door, hand on the side of the wheel. The weight of my arm is enough that I frequently go many minutes without needing to nudge. Otherwise, I agree. The nudging is so annoying that it's "more fun" to just drive.