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And no girls: http://gawker.com/5231390/facebook-backer-wishes-women-couldnt-vote http://gawker.com/5231390/facebook-backer-wishes-women-could...

TimPC 14y ago
It's good press to put inflammatory words in someones mouth. It's a far step from suggesting a causal link between two constituencies and what Thiel views as political regress and advocating the disenfranchisement of women. In fact, Thiel doesn't, he advocates the abandonment of politics as the vehicle for solving problems, which is something quite different.
moldbug 14y ago
I've never understood why anyone gets so hung up on their "right to vote." Why should women have the right to vote? Why should anyone have the right to vote? In what possible conceivable sense is political power a "human right?" Is it a moral right, like the right not to be beaten with sticks? Or is it an instrumental right, ie, a political engineering mechanism designed to produce good government? Or both? If I moved to London, say, I'd find myself obeying a government in no way responsible to me. I don't see at all how this would be anything like being beaten with sticks. But then, maybe it's just me. Whereas if democracy is an engineering mechanism, it's a pretty freakin' strange one, you've got to admit. Would you expect it to produce good results? Is it producing good results? Well, see, there ya go.
tomjen3 14y ago
Thiel is arguing, congruently with the facts, that females are more likely than males to vote for a larger government and a bigger social safety net and you believe that nobody has the right to take others stuff (through taxes) then it is understandable that he would prefer they didn't have the right to vote. I don't think anyone ought to have the right to vote, except on matters of the military (which cannot work if it was subjected to market forces) -- the rest is just giving groups the right to do things individuals can't.
- TimPC 14y ago
  Thiel identifies the issue. There is a big difference between identifying an issue, and suggesting a proposed solution. I can identify the fact that people die in car crashes, and this in no way makes it understandable that I would prefer cars not exist (for the record I don't).
- makomk 14y ago
  Yeah, women have a really annoying habit of realising that the world doesn't quite work the way that libertarians like Thiel think it does. For example, no matter how good they'd be at jobs like CEO, they're still at a disadvantage to men because the people who do the selection are other men who naturally favour people like themselves. The market doesn't penalize them for this either - the people that invest in them and write reports for investors and make loan decisions? Almost all men who think in the same way.
  - Tichy 14y ago
    Do you have actual numbers about female startup founders? My hunch would be they have a huge advantage.
- praxeologist 14y ago
  >except on matters of the military (which cannot work if it was subjected to market forces) Why? This is a huge subject and text to dump on you, so sorry about this: http://mises.org/etexts/defensemyth.pdf http://mises.org/etexts/defensemyth.pdf
  - lupatus 14y ago
    Read the section of the book _Catch-22_ where the Syndicate's pilots bomb their own airport because the Nazis outbid the Allies.
    - praxeologist 14y ago
      Are you talking about playing both sides as described here in ch 24? http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/catch22/section5.rhtml http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/catch22/section5.rhtml If so, I would have to say it is a misconception you have if you think that is something which libertarian law approves of, to engage in war, just because it is a private subcontractor doing it. Also, if this part from a wikipedia entry is what you are talking about, pay attention to who it is in power who forgives MM: >However, as M&M Enterprises proves to be incredibly profitable, he hires an expensive lawyer who is able to convince the court that it was capitalism which made America great, and is absolved only by disclosing to the congressional committee investigating what the enormous profit he made by dealing with the Germans was.
herbig 14y ago
Yeah I think you read the title and nothing else, which should be "Facebook Backer Wishes Women Voted Libertarian."
valencourt 14y ago
Did he ever explicitly write that he would deny women the right to vote? I don't think he did. Gawker is terribly sensationalist.

TimPC 14y ago

It's good press to put inflammatory words in someones mouth. It's a far step from suggesting a causal link between two constituencies and what Thiel views as political regress and advocating the disenfranchisement of women. In fact, Thiel doesn't, he advocates the abandonment of politics as the vehicle for solving problems, which is something quite different.

moldbug 14y ago

I've never understood why anyone gets so hung up on their "right to vote." Why should women have the right to vote? Why should anyone have the right to vote? In what possible conceivable sense is political power a "human right?" Is it a moral right, like the right not to be beaten with sticks? Or is it an instrumental right, ie, a political engineering mechanism designed to produce good government? Or both? If I moved to London, say, I'd find myself obeying a government in no way responsible to me. I don't see at all how this would be anything like being beaten with sticks. But then, maybe it's just me. Whereas if democracy is an engineering mechanism, it's a pretty freakin' strange one, you've got to admit. Would you expect it to produce good results? Is it producing good results? Well, see, there ya go.

tomjen3 14y ago

Thiel is arguing, congruently with the facts, that females are more likely than males to vote for a larger government and a bigger social safety net and you believe that nobody has the right to take others stuff (through taxes) then it is understandable that he would prefer they didn't have the right to vote. I don't think anyone ought to have the right to vote, except on matters of the military (which cannot work if it was subjected to market forces) -- the rest is just giving groups the right to do things individuals can't.

TimPC 14y ago
Thiel identifies the issue. There is a big difference between identifying an issue, and suggesting a proposed solution. I can identify the fact that people die in car crashes, and this in no way makes it understandable that I would prefer cars not exist (for the record I don't).
makomk 14y ago
Yeah, women have a really annoying habit of realising that the world doesn't quite work the way that libertarians like Thiel think it does. For example, no matter how good they'd be at jobs like CEO, they're still at a disadvantage to men because the people who do the selection are other men who naturally favour people like themselves. The market doesn't penalize them for this either - the people that invest in them and write reports for investors and make loan decisions? Almost all men who think in the same way.
- Tichy 14y ago
  Do you have actual numbers about female startup founders? My hunch would be they have a huge advantage.
praxeologist 14y ago
>except on matters of the military (which cannot work if it was subjected to market forces) Why? This is a huge subject and text to dump on you, so sorry about this: http://mises.org/etexts/defensemyth.pdf http://mises.org/etexts/defensemyth.pdf
- lupatus 14y ago
  Read the section of the book _Catch-22_ where the Syndicate's pilots bomb their own airport because the Nazis outbid the Allies.
  - praxeologist 14y ago
    Are you talking about playing both sides as described here in ch 24? http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/catch22/section5.rhtml http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/catch22/section5.rhtml If so, I would have to say it is a misconception you have if you think that is something which libertarian law approves of, to engage in war, just because it is a private subcontractor doing it. Also, if this part from a wikipedia entry is what you are talking about, pay attention to who it is in power who forgives MM: >However, as M&M Enterprises proves to be incredibly profitable, he hires an expensive lawyer who is able to convince the court that it was capitalism which made America great, and is absolved only by disclosing to the congressional committee investigating what the enormous profit he made by dealing with the Germans was.

herbig 14y ago

Yeah I think you read the title and nothing else, which should be "Facebook Backer Wishes Women Voted Libertarian."

valencourt 14y ago

Did he ever explicitly write that he would deny women the right to vote? I don't think he did. Gawker is terribly sensationalist.