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Here's what self-driving means to me: * Tesla absorbs all legal consequences of any accident while using their self-driving technology * The driver doesn't ha

Here's what self-driving means to me: * Tesla absorbs all legal consequences of any accident while using their self-driving technology * The driver doesn't have to sit in the driver seat continually monitoring the situation, i.e. driving - but in a really weird way Which is to say, Tesla does not have self-driving tech and they're not going to have self-driving tech at any time in the near future. If I have to continue sitting in the driver seat and continue driving/not-driving and be responsible for anything the car does, then the hell with it. That's not self-driving and I wouldn't pay for that either. Especially the insane prices they're charging. Nope. Not gonna happen.

mholm 2y ago
Especially if Tesla is going to play a game of "If you fall, you're fired before you hit the ground" with disabling autopilot in imminent accidents. https://www.motortrend.com/news/nhtsa-tesla-autopilot-investigation-shutoff-crash/ https://www.motortrend.com/news/nhtsa-tesla-autopilot-invest...
- yowlingcat 2y ago
  It just floors me that someone is not yet in jail for this. It's so fantastical so as to seem surreal. But it's real.
- spookie 2y ago
  This is... I have no words. I really hope people keep their attention on the road, your life and others', isn't worth the extra minutes doomscrolling.
mytailorisrich 2y ago
I agree with your bullet points but one thing to keep in mind regarding the second one is that it is currently a legal requirement to have a human driver ready to take over at all times (which is to say that the legislator thinks that there is no real, safe full self-driving capability yet).
- infotainment 2y ago
  It’s not an impossible thing though; for example there are truly driverless robotaxis running in SF right now. (The Waymo ones)
- fragmede 2y ago
  > currently a legal requirement to have a human driver ready to take over at all times Waymos aren't running with a human driver ready to take over at all times, so that's not correct.
  - mytailorisrich 2y ago
    Waymo may have a specific license to operate their service in very limited areas but for vehicles sold to the public the situation is as I described pretty much globally as far as I know.
sneak 2y ago
$25 a week isn’t insane for the convenience that Tesla’s FSD product offers, and that would still be true if it were geofenced to just highways.
- taylodl 2y ago
  Apparently, I, and the overwhelming majority of Tesla's customers, are failing to see this convenience. Care to enlighten us?
  - sneak 2y ago
    I didn’t say that everyone should buy it, I said the pricing isn’t insane. You can disagree on the value and still recognize that $25/week is not pathological.
- infotainment 2y ago
  $25/week indefinitely for a hardware feature in your car that you already paid for?
  - spookie 2y ago
    To be frank, it's not only a hardware feature.
- NegativeK 2y ago
  The FSD I experienced last month was (to paraphrase someone else) like sitting in the passenger seat with a new teenage driver, ready to grab the wheel at any moment. It's wrong too often to be convenient. I'm not paying $25/week for more work as a driver.
darth_avocado 2y ago
> The driver doesn't have to sit in the driver seat continually monitoring the situation This is imo the biggest problems that forces users from not buying the tech. I used the beta, and not only did I have to basically pay attention, but at times, when I was already paying attention, Tesla would ask me to apply pressure on the steering to the point where self driving disengaged and I had to take quick actions. On top of that, just driving around my neighborhood, it failed miserably. It couldn't park itself when the entire curb was empty and I stopped in a non ideal spot. It would often incorrectly identify parked cars on curved streets and brake. A couple of times it almost ran over pedestrians at a stop sign, mostly because it accelerates too much on turns at a stop sign. It absolutely refuses to drive faster than the speed limits, going 25 on two lane main streets where everyone expects you to go 40. At some point, its more stressful for the driver on self driving than driving yourself.
- Longhanks 2y ago
  > It absolutely refuses to drive faster than the speed limits, going 25 on two lane main streets where everyone expects you to go 40. This is not an issue with self driving but rather law enforcement.
  - darth_avocado 2y ago
    The law enforcement will stop you if you hold up the traffic by going 25
    - Longhanks 2y ago
      But it won’t if you go over the speed limit? I’m not sure what a self driving car is supposed to do here. Hell, as a foreigner, I myself wouldn’t know what to do.
      - spookie 2y ago
        I think this is pretty common all around the world. But the again, you raise a fair point. I don't know what course of action an autonomous vehicle is supposed to take here. If anything, in HCI, you want consistent actions to be taken, for users to reward you with a higher level of trust.

mholm 2y ago

Especially if Tesla is going to play a game of "If you fall, you're fired before you hit the ground" with disabling autopilot in imminent accidents. https://www.motortrend.com/news/nhtsa-tesla-autopilot-investigation-shutoff-crash/ https://www.motortrend.com/news/nhtsa-tesla-autopilot-invest...

yowlingcat 2y ago
It just floors me that someone is not yet in jail for this. It's so fantastical so as to seem surreal. But it's real.
spookie 2y ago
This is... I have no words. I really hope people keep their attention on the road, your life and others', isn't worth the extra minutes doomscrolling.

mytailorisrich 2y ago

I agree with your bullet points but one thing to keep in mind regarding the second one is that it is currently a legal requirement to have a human driver ready to take over at all times (which is to say that the legislator thinks that there is no real, safe full self-driving capability yet).

infotainment 2y ago
It’s not an impossible thing though; for example there are truly driverless robotaxis running in SF right now. (The Waymo ones)
fragmede 2y ago
> currently a legal requirement to have a human driver ready to take over at all times Waymos aren't running with a human driver ready to take over at all times, so that's not correct.
- mytailorisrich 2y ago
  Waymo may have a specific license to operate their service in very limited areas but for vehicles sold to the public the situation is as I described pretty much globally as far as I know.

sneak 2y ago

$25 a week isn’t insane for the convenience that Tesla’s FSD product offers, and that would still be true if it were geofenced to just highways.

taylodl 2y ago
Apparently, I, and the overwhelming majority of Tesla's customers, are failing to see this convenience. Care to enlighten us?
- sneak 2y ago
  I didn’t say that everyone should buy it, I said the pricing isn’t insane. You can disagree on the value and still recognize that $25/week is not pathological.
infotainment 2y ago
$25/week indefinitely for a hardware feature in your car that you already paid for?
- spookie 2y ago
  To be frank, it's not only a hardware feature.
NegativeK 2y ago
The FSD I experienced last month was (to paraphrase someone else) like sitting in the passenger seat with a new teenage driver, ready to grab the wheel at any moment. It's wrong too often to be convenient. I'm not paying $25/week for more work as a driver.

darth_avocado 2y ago

> The driver doesn't have to sit in the driver seat continually monitoring the situation This is imo the biggest problems that forces users from not buying the tech. I used the beta, and not only did I have to basically pay attention, but at times, when I was already paying attention, Tesla would ask me to apply pressure on the steering to the point where self driving disengaged and I had to take quick actions. On top of that, just driving around my neighborhood, it failed miserably. It couldn't park itself when the entire curb was empty and I stopped in a non ideal spot. It would often incorrectly identify parked cars on curved streets and brake. A couple of times it almost ran over pedestrians at a stop sign, mostly because it accelerates too much on turns at a stop sign. It absolutely refuses to drive faster than the speed limits, going 25 on two lane main streets where everyone expects you to go 40. At some point, its more stressful for the driver on self driving than driving yourself.

Longhanks 2y ago
> It absolutely refuses to drive faster than the speed limits, going 25 on two lane main streets where everyone expects you to go 40. This is not an issue with self driving but rather law enforcement.
- darth_avocado 2y ago
  The law enforcement will stop you if you hold up the traffic by going 25
  - Longhanks 2y ago
    But it won’t if you go over the speed limit? I’m not sure what a self driving car is supposed to do here. Hell, as a foreigner, I myself wouldn’t know what to do.
    - spookie 2y ago
      I think this is pretty common all around the world. But the again, you raise a fair point. I don't know what course of action an autonomous vehicle is supposed to take here. If anything, in HCI, you want consistent actions to be taken, for users to reward you with a higher level of trust.