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It actually didn't work. They were barely able to scar the surface with a jagged janky cut after many hard hours of hard work, and they weren't even attacking t

by nurple 2y ago

It actually didn't work. They were barely able to scar the surface with a jagged janky cut after many hard hours of hard work, and they weren't even attacking the hardest types of stone we see things created from. It's just not possible these tools were used to create the amazingly accurate pieces you find in Egypt, fashioned in some of the hardest materials we know.

tootie 2y ago
https://youtu.be/zoOCcrgWkIA?si=qfsrmduoc7qgzSp7&t=188 https://youtu.be/zoOCcrgWkIA?si=qfsrmduoc7qgzSp7&t=188 He cuts it pretty sharp here. And then shows a technique for smoothing imperfections. Also a lot of the stones weren't actually cut perfectly. Only the ones that were on visible surfaces. The technique was probably slow and laborious, but the Egyptians had huge numbers of workers and they spent years or decades on projects. I'm not sure what the counterargument even is. If the Sphinx was built using super ancient metal tools, where are they? And how did Egyptians make granite carvings all over their empire over the span of millenia? They obviously knew how. We know it's possible. We just don't know for sure how they specifically did it and maybe never will. It was only a few years ago that we solved the mystery of Roman concrete.
- nurple 2y ago
  Ben addresses these experiments and compares the results to actual artifacts. https://yewtu.be/KFuf-gBuuno?t=462 https://yewtu.be/KFuf-gBuuno?t=462
  - tootie 2y ago
    Utterly spurious. The toolmarks don't match the experiment and therefore it was another civilization? Just stupid. They may have used a different type of grist for their drills. They may have had a technique for smoothing them after the hole was cut. They may have just been so practiced in their art that they were just better at it than anyone who tries to replicate it today by guessing. We have unequivocal evidence that cutting and drilling granite with available material was totally possible. We don't know and probably never will know for certain how exactly they worked. But it's 100% plausible they did it themselves with technology and resources available at the time that matches all the correlated evidence. There are carved granite and schist artifacts in Egypt spanning thousands of years during which they kept lots of written and artistic records and interacted with dozens of regional cultures all of whom are well-attested. Accusing the scientific mainstream of being to stuck in their orthodoxy to accept an alternate theory is rich coming from someone who believes a wildly implausible theory with nearly religious fervor and rejects all the physical evidence in front of his face in favor of blind faith. Bring some proof beyond pure conjecture and then maybe we'll be convinced. Go read about pre-Clovis people in the Americas. The orthodoxy that had stood for decades was upended pretty quickly when new evidence was uncovered.
masklinn 2y ago
> It's just not possible these tools were used to create the amazingly accurate pieces you find in Egypt, fashioned in some of the hardest materials we know. The pyramids are almost entirely made of limestone. Limestone is around a 3.5 on the mohs hardness scale. The scale goes up to 10 (diamond). Granite (king's chamber, sarcophaguses, plugs) is around 6, 6.5. Guess what's above that? Quartz. AKA your common desert sand.
Hikikomori 2y ago
Not possible? https://youtu.be/L3A_kItgymQ https://youtu.be/L3A_kItgymQ
- nurple 2y ago
  Very impressive, but the Egyptians supposedly didn't have the ability to form steel; also the holes were not chiseled, they were drilled leaving spiral striations that witness an incredible feed-rate. https://yewtu.be/watch?v=KFuf-gBuuno https://yewtu.be/watch?v=KFuf-gBuuno
  - Hikikomori 2y ago
    They don't need steel to work with these materials though, as copper is enough for even granite. https://youtu.be/yyCc4iuMikQ https://youtu.be/yyCc4iuMikQ World of Antiquity has debunked several unchartedx videos, including the supposed spiral striations. https://youtu.be/n_NguZUDku4 https://youtu.be/n_NguZUDku4 https://youtu.be/Wcl82hQr8xc https://youtu.be/Wcl82hQr8xc
    - nurple 2y ago
      Yes, it's interesting isn't it, how everyone is debunking eachother, and that hasn't changed much from the days of Petrie. Doesn't seem like the "science", after all these decades, is solid and settled yet whatever timeline you believe.
      - Hikikomori 2y ago
        One side has scholars and educated people and the other are charlatans and grifters.

by nurple 2y ago

tootie 2y ago

https://youtu.be/zoOCcrgWkIA?si=qfsrmduoc7qgzSp7&t=188 https://youtu.be/zoOCcrgWkIA?si=qfsrmduoc7qgzSp7&t=188 He cuts it pretty sharp here. And then shows a technique for smoothing imperfections. Also a lot of the stones weren't actually cut perfectly. Only the ones that were on visible surfaces. The technique was probably slow and laborious, but the Egyptians had huge numbers of workers and they spent years or decades on projects. I'm not sure what the counterargument even is. If the Sphinx was built using super ancient metal tools, where are they? And how did Egyptians make granite carvings all over their empire over the span of millenia? They obviously knew how. We know it's possible. We just don't know for sure how they specifically did it and maybe never will. It was only a few years ago that we solved the mystery of Roman concrete.

nurple 2y ago
Ben addresses these experiments and compares the results to actual artifacts. https://yewtu.be/KFuf-gBuuno?t=462 https://yewtu.be/KFuf-gBuuno?t=462
- tootie 2y ago
  Utterly spurious. The toolmarks don't match the experiment and therefore it was another civilization? Just stupid. They may have used a different type of grist for their drills. They may have had a technique for smoothing them after the hole was cut. They may have just been so practiced in their art that they were just better at it than anyone who tries to replicate it today by guessing. We have unequivocal evidence that cutting and drilling granite with available material was totally possible. We don't know and probably never will know for certain how exactly they worked. But it's 100% plausible they did it themselves with technology and resources available at the time that matches all the correlated evidence. There are carved granite and schist artifacts in Egypt spanning thousands of years during which they kept lots of written and artistic records and interacted with dozens of regional cultures all of whom are well-attested. Accusing the scientific mainstream of being to stuck in their orthodoxy to accept an alternate theory is rich coming from someone who believes a wildly implausible theory with nearly religious fervor and rejects all the physical evidence in front of his face in favor of blind faith. Bring some proof beyond pure conjecture and then maybe we'll be convinced. Go read about pre-Clovis people in the Americas. The orthodoxy that had stood for decades was upended pretty quickly when new evidence was uncovered.

masklinn 2y ago

> It's just not possible these tools were used to create the amazingly accurate pieces you find in Egypt, fashioned in some of the hardest materials we know. The pyramids are almost entirely made of limestone. Limestone is around a 3.5 on the mohs hardness scale. The scale goes up to 10 (diamond). Granite (king's chamber, sarcophaguses, plugs) is around 6, 6.5. Guess what's above that? Quartz. AKA your common desert sand.

Hikikomori 2y ago

Not possible? https://youtu.be/L3A_kItgymQ https://youtu.be/L3A_kItgymQ

nurple 2y ago
Very impressive, but the Egyptians supposedly didn't have the ability to form steel; also the holes were not chiseled, they were drilled leaving spiral striations that witness an incredible feed-rate. https://yewtu.be/watch?v=KFuf-gBuuno https://yewtu.be/watch?v=KFuf-gBuuno
- Hikikomori 2y ago
  They don't need steel to work with these materials though, as copper is enough for even granite. https://youtu.be/yyCc4iuMikQ https://youtu.be/yyCc4iuMikQ World of Antiquity has debunked several unchartedx videos, including the supposed spiral striations. https://youtu.be/n_NguZUDku4 https://youtu.be/n_NguZUDku4 https://youtu.be/Wcl82hQr8xc https://youtu.be/Wcl82hQr8xc
  - nurple 2y ago
    Yes, it's interesting isn't it, how everyone is debunking eachother, and that hasn't changed much from the days of Petrie. Doesn't seem like the "science", after all these decades, is solid and settled yet whatever timeline you believe.
    - Hikikomori 2y ago
      One side has scholars and educated people and the other are charlatans and grifters.