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My understanding is one of the dangerous jobs mentioned, fire fighting, is not mandated and they allow the prisoner opt out. They also give the prisoners time o

My understanding is one of the dangerous jobs mentioned, fire fighting, is not mandated and they allow the prisoner opt out. They also give the prisoners time off their sentence for everyday they are on duty. Is that correct?

_DeadFred_ 2y ago
I'm not sure you understand how power dynamics work, what 'optional' means in a setting where authorities have complete control over your life. Kind of like it's 'optional' to comply with extortion so I guess it should be allowed. Read this ruling regarding an inmate that was regularly feed expired/bug infested food, as well as injured due to the facilities, the process the inmate had to go through, and the outcome being that the court took no action. There system is designed to stonewall/paralyze inmates while giving the appearance of being a just system: https://casetext.com/case/jones-v-shinn-6 https://casetext.com/case/jones-v-shinn-6 Edit: Also note this case is around a Federal Detention Center, a place for people that have not yet been convicted or sentenced, not even a prison. This is the 'easy part' of the process for people given the presumption of innocence.
- ImJamal 2y ago
  From what I have seen, it truly is optional. They literally just let you turn them down if you don't want to be a volunteer firefighter. There is no punishment or extortion involved. Do you have any evidence otherwise? Any sort of contaminated food isn't relevant to extortion. Thanks for the irrelevant article though.
  - RIMR 2y ago
    Amazing that you're demanding evidence when all you can provide is "from what you have seen". How about you provide some evidence?
    - ImJamal 2y ago
      My original post was literally just me saying this is what I heard and asking if I was correct. Why should I provide proof when I am literally just asking for confirmation? The person I was responding to made the claim that there was extortion going on, not me.

_DeadFred_ 2y ago

I'm not sure you understand how power dynamics work, what 'optional' means in a setting where authorities have complete control over your life. Kind of like it's 'optional' to comply with extortion so I guess it should be allowed. Read this ruling regarding an inmate that was regularly feed expired/bug infested food, as well as injured due to the facilities, the process the inmate had to go through, and the outcome being that the court took no action. There system is designed to stonewall/paralyze inmates while giving the appearance of being a just system: https://casetext.com/case/jones-v-shinn-6 https://casetext.com/case/jones-v-shinn-6 Edit: Also note this case is around a Federal Detention Center, a place for people that have not yet been convicted or sentenced, not even a prison. This is the 'easy part' of the process for people given the presumption of innocence.

ImJamal 2y ago
From what I have seen, it truly is optional. They literally just let you turn them down if you don't want to be a volunteer firefighter. There is no punishment or extortion involved. Do you have any evidence otherwise? Any sort of contaminated food isn't relevant to extortion. Thanks for the irrelevant article though.
- RIMR 2y ago
  Amazing that you're demanding evidence when all you can provide is "from what you have seen". How about you provide some evidence?
  - ImJamal 2y ago
    My original post was literally just me saying this is what I heard and asking if I was correct. Why should I provide proof when I am literally just asking for confirmation? The person I was responding to made the claim that there was extortion going on, not me.