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It's still aliens with this guy. > In his book Supernatural: Meetings with the Ancient Teachers of Mankind, Hancock (2006) explored the cultural importance of

It's still aliens with this guy. > In his book Supernatural: Meetings with the Ancient Teachers of Mankind, Hancock (2006) explored the cultural importance of shamanism and psychedelics and the idea that nonhuman entities from other realms kickstarted human culture. Hancock draws parallels between shamanic spirit journeys, narratives of fairies, and modern alien abduction accounts. Shamanism is "nonsensical to 'rational' Western minds" as it is based on "the notion that the human condition requires interaction with powerful nonphysical beings" (Hancock 2019:220). He has also discussed this idea in public presentations. In America Before, Hancock (2019) again emphasizes access to the Otherworld of souls and nonhuman entities through psychedelic "plant allies." - http://onlinedigeditions.com/publication/?i=634462&article_id=3531896 http://onlinedigeditions.com/publication/?i=634462&article_i... He was able to do a Netflix series because his son is the "Director of Nonfiction" there (https://thetvcollective.org/breakthroughleaders/industry-experts/sean-hancock/ https://thetvcollective.org/breakthroughleaders/industry-exp...).

mandmandam 2y ago
That is a very common thing with ancient and even modern shamans. So, how does saying so in a book about ancient shamans equate to an endorsement that aliens built the pyramids? People love attacking this guy but the attacks always seem to be remarkably poor strawmen. What's so hard about believing we were smarter than acknowledged 10,000 years ago?
- burkaman 2y ago
  > the idea that nonhuman entities from other realms kickstarted human culture I'm not attacking him I'm just posting some quotes. In addition to his ideas about lost prehistoric societies influencing ancient Egyptians, he in turn believes that those prehistoric societies were influenced by aliens. I don't think this is an attack and I don't think he would disagree with this summary of his beliefs.
  - mandmandam 2y ago
    I spent less than one minute googling, and came up with this [0] on my first try: > I am quite clear, however, having spent more than quarter of a century walking the walk across many of the most intriguing ancient archaeological sites on earth, and digging into ancient texts and traditions from all around the world, that NO ancient archaeological site and NO ancient text or tradition that I have yet come across provides persuasive evidence for the “ancient astronaut hypothesis”. > ... My own view is that all of the anomalies of history and prehistory pointed to by advocates of the ancient astronaut hypothesis are far better and more elegantly explained as emanating from a lost, advanced HUMAN civilization of prehistoric antiquity than from high-tech alien visitors from another planet. So, you just made that up, even though he expressly says the opposite on his own website. Why would you do that? 0 -https://grahamhancock.com/ancient-aliens-or-a-lost-civilization/ https://grahamhancock.com/ancient-aliens-or-a-lost-civilizat...
    - burkaman 2y ago
      I don't know what to tell you, there are direct quotes from his books in my first comment. Here's another one: > Shamanism is not confined to specific socio-economic settings or stages of development. It is fundamentally the ability that all of us share, some with and some without the help of hallucinogens, to enter altered states of consciousness and to travel out of body in non-physical realms - there to encounter supernatural entities and gain useful knowledge and healing powers from them. - Supernatural: Meetings with the Ancient Teachers of Mankind Here's a whole book about these supernatural beings who assisted primitive humanity: https://grahamhancock.com/visionary/ https://grahamhancock.com/visionary/. I do think it's different than the "ancient astronauts" theory, but anything living that isn't from Earth is an alien, so entities from other realms clearly qualify. Edit: Sorry, rereading the thread I see the misunderstanding, you are right that he doesn't think aliens were involved in building the pyramids specifically and I didn't mean to imply that. I'm just saying that he thinks aliens were involved in the general development of the human species.
      - mandmandam 2y ago
        > he thinks aliens were involved in the general development of the human species. That's still a gross mischaracterization of his stance, I think. It sounds like you've never had a psychedelic experience yourself? If you had, I think you'd find it much easier to believe there's something to the 'stoned ape' theory. Especially when you realize that basically every culture ever - I know of no exceptions - has developed some way of leaving their normal state of reality.

mandmandam 2y ago

That is a very common thing with ancient and even modern shamans. So, how does saying so in a book about ancient shamans equate to an endorsement that aliens built the pyramids? People love attacking this guy but the attacks always seem to be remarkably poor strawmen. What's so hard about believing we were smarter than acknowledged 10,000 years ago?

burkaman 2y ago
> the idea that nonhuman entities from other realms kickstarted human culture I'm not attacking him I'm just posting some quotes. In addition to his ideas about lost prehistoric societies influencing ancient Egyptians, he in turn believes that those prehistoric societies were influenced by aliens. I don't think this is an attack and I don't think he would disagree with this summary of his beliefs.
- mandmandam 2y ago
  I spent less than one minute googling, and came up with this [0] on my first try: > I am quite clear, however, having spent more than quarter of a century walking the walk across many of the most intriguing ancient archaeological sites on earth, and digging into ancient texts and traditions from all around the world, that NO ancient archaeological site and NO ancient text or tradition that I have yet come across provides persuasive evidence for the “ancient astronaut hypothesis”. > ... My own view is that all of the anomalies of history and prehistory pointed to by advocates of the ancient astronaut hypothesis are far better and more elegantly explained as emanating from a lost, advanced HUMAN civilization of prehistoric antiquity than from high-tech alien visitors from another planet. So, you just made that up, even though he expressly says the opposite on his own website. Why would you do that? 0 -https://grahamhancock.com/ancient-aliens-or-a-lost-civilization/ https://grahamhancock.com/ancient-aliens-or-a-lost-civilizat...
  - burkaman 2y ago
    I don't know what to tell you, there are direct quotes from his books in my first comment. Here's another one: > Shamanism is not confined to specific socio-economic settings or stages of development. It is fundamentally the ability that all of us share, some with and some without the help of hallucinogens, to enter altered states of consciousness and to travel out of body in non-physical realms - there to encounter supernatural entities and gain useful knowledge and healing powers from them. - Supernatural: Meetings with the Ancient Teachers of Mankind Here's a whole book about these supernatural beings who assisted primitive humanity: https://grahamhancock.com/visionary/ https://grahamhancock.com/visionary/. I do think it's different than the "ancient astronauts" theory, but anything living that isn't from Earth is an alien, so entities from other realms clearly qualify. Edit: Sorry, rereading the thread I see the misunderstanding, you are right that he doesn't think aliens were involved in building the pyramids specifically and I didn't mean to imply that. I'm just saying that he thinks aliens were involved in the general development of the human species.
    - mandmandam 2y ago
      > he thinks aliens were involved in the general development of the human species. That's still a gross mischaracterization of his stance, I think. It sounds like you've never had a psychedelic experience yourself? If you had, I think you'd find it much easier to believe there's something to the 'stoned ape' theory. Especially when you realize that basically every culture ever - I know of no exceptions - has developed some way of leaving their normal state of reality.