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Is it not dystopian for the apparatus of state to be involved in suicide? Is killing not a gross violation of the Hippocratic Oath? Assisted dying seems an evi

by w0de0 2y ago

Is it not dystopian for the apparatus of state to be involved in suicide? Is killing not a gross violation of the Hippocratic Oath? Assisted dying seems an evil thing to me - all the more so because suicide is feasible without society’s involvement and encouragement. One worries that the state and doctors will at some point go from saying “you may” to saying “you should.”

manuelmoreale 2y ago
I hear you but what’s the alternative though? Provide a DIY guide on how to do it yourself in a painless way? And what about those people who just can’t because are paralyzed for example? There are a million different cases and someone has to have the power to help someone who has decided that they don’t want to live their lives that way anymore.
- whatevaa 2y ago
  He'd rather people suffer so he could feel better about himself. Personally, I'm pro-euthanasia for selfish reasons too - I'd like to be able to end it cleanly, alternative ways are a mess. You can't fix everything. Drugs don't fix everything. Not everything can be treated. Seen too many people slowly detoriating, waiting to die for incurrable diseases. If I have a right to live, I should have a right to die, otherwise I'm a slave.
  - w0de0 2y ago
    No, I’m not an advocate of suffering. I’m a skeptic of the state’s role in its ultimate antidote. As a cadaver may not be incarcerated productively, I question if one’s right to death is - or can be - denied. Moreover, is not assisted dying treated as a privilege, rather than a right? Like a driver’s license, one must apply. It is alienable.
    - whatevaa 2y ago
      The application process is in place to create friction so that people wouldn't off themselves for silly reasons, also to try to address concerns like yours. Who else than state? Random people? You can always off yourself, but that is messy. Might as well have a process for that.
- pentagrama 2y ago
  Your comment resonates with me because I remembered the Spanish movie Mar Adentro, who explores that topic on a nuanced way to me. I recommend that movie to anyone reading this who is interested on the topic and likes good fiction.
- w0de0 2y ago
  In our present marvelous age of information, instructions for painless suicide abound. In societies which grant primacy to the rights of individuals to live and die as they see fit - that is, in which there is a degree of free speech - these resources are easily accessible.
whalesalad 2y ago
> Is killing not a gross violation of the Hippocratic Oath? being 'alive' and suffering versus dying and ... being dead and not suffering. pretty easy decision. ultimately the hippocratic oath is about upholding good ethics and being a just individual. the misconception at the heart of all this is that death is unjust or an invalid solution when in fact it is and the stigma around it should be dropped.
- w0de0 2y ago
  I do believe death is unjust, though not an invalid solution. Death is the fundamental injustice of existence. That something is natural does not make it just. The quest to vanquish death is a perpetual motif in recorded history, across cultures, and a recurrent religious fantasy.

by w0de0 2y ago

manuelmoreale 2y ago

I hear you but what’s the alternative though? Provide a DIY guide on how to do it yourself in a painless way? And what about those people who just can’t because are paralyzed for example? There are a million different cases and someone has to have the power to help someone who has decided that they don’t want to live their lives that way anymore.

whatevaa 2y ago
He'd rather people suffer so he could feel better about himself. Personally, I'm pro-euthanasia for selfish reasons too - I'd like to be able to end it cleanly, alternative ways are a mess. You can't fix everything. Drugs don't fix everything. Not everything can be treated. Seen too many people slowly detoriating, waiting to die for incurrable diseases. If I have a right to live, I should have a right to die, otherwise I'm a slave.
- w0de0 2y ago
  No, I’m not an advocate of suffering. I’m a skeptic of the state’s role in its ultimate antidote. As a cadaver may not be incarcerated productively, I question if one’s right to death is - or can be - denied. Moreover, is not assisted dying treated as a privilege, rather than a right? Like a driver’s license, one must apply. It is alienable.
  - whatevaa 2y ago
    The application process is in place to create friction so that people wouldn't off themselves for silly reasons, also to try to address concerns like yours. Who else than state? Random people? You can always off yourself, but that is messy. Might as well have a process for that.
pentagrama 2y ago
Your comment resonates with me because I remembered the Spanish movie Mar Adentro, who explores that topic on a nuanced way to me. I recommend that movie to anyone reading this who is interested on the topic and likes good fiction.
w0de0 2y ago
In our present marvelous age of information, instructions for painless suicide abound. In societies which grant primacy to the rights of individuals to live and die as they see fit - that is, in which there is a degree of free speech - these resources are easily accessible.

whalesalad 2y ago

> Is killing not a gross violation of the Hippocratic Oath? being 'alive' and suffering versus dying and ... being dead and not suffering. pretty easy decision. ultimately the hippocratic oath is about upholding good ethics and being a just individual. the misconception at the heart of all this is that death is unjust or an invalid solution when in fact it is and the stigma around it should be dropped.

w0de0 2y ago
I do believe death is unjust, though not an invalid solution. Death is the fundamental injustice of existence. That something is natural does not make it just. The quest to vanquish death is a perpetual motif in recorded history, across cultures, and a recurrent religious fantasy.