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There are plenty of reports about how Tesla has made this difficult. Tesla parts are difficult to obtain even for Tesla’s own service centers: there are frequen

There are plenty of reports about how Tesla has made this difficult. Tesla parts are difficult to obtain even for Tesla’s own service centers: there are frequent months-long waits. “Certified” non-Tesla shops get parts at a lower priority, non-certified shops simply cannot order most parts (just basic stuff like bumpers) 0: https://www.reddit.com/r/Insurance/s/fkcTScUDpL https://www.reddit.com/r/Insurance/s/fkcTScUDpL

NegativeLatency 2y ago
What if you had 30k or 10k teslas hanging around for parts though?
- getcrunk 2y ago
  Software lock ala apple?
  - jeffrallen 2y ago
    Definitely, and even with some legitimate reasons. The inverter and the motor are linked by a calibration.
  - NegativeLatency 2y ago
    Interesting, I've seen people using tesla drive motors in electric conversions, so maybe that's easier if they're controlled by some 3rd party hardware, because you're just fighting the motor not the whole car as a system.
hollerith 2y ago
Maybe someone needs to found the Framework Computer, Inc, of electric cars.
- iancmceachern 2y ago
  I have the skillset and network to design, prototype and source just about any part or assembly. If anyone wants to do this, seriously, reach out.
- alexose 2y ago
  Seriously, this should happen sooner than later. We're quickly entering a world where car manufacturers are trying to extract profit from subscriptions (see: BMW heated seats, Toyota remote start, Ford BlueCruise, etc). On top of that, most cars are now shipping with an encrypted CAN bus, which lands us right back in the same "trusted computing" quagmire as every other consumer electronic device.
- talldayo 2y ago
  Framework is great, but their existence doesn't change the harmful antirepair practice of other companies. Similarly, the ratio of servicable cars on the road won't change the fact that offering less service is cheaper, and forcing first-party repair can even be profitable.
  - margalabargala 2y ago
    > their existence doesn't change the harmful antirepair practice of other companies Their existence doesn't but their success does. If and when Framework becomes large enough to steal a significant portion of marketshare from less repair friendly companies, they will adapt or die.
    - talldayo 2y ago
      I wish you were right, but historically I don't think anything suggests a change. There has always been a market for repairable and rugged laptops, but their market share loses out to expensive and easily replaceable machines. Skimping on repairability lets you focus on some other feature that you can market instead, which will almost always seem sexier than "the topcase costs less than $500 to replace". There are success stories here; IBM and Panasonic didn't struggle to find customers for the Thinkpad and Toughbook respectively. But the market was never forced to "adapt or die" as you put it; in fact, the rugged and repairable machines were now the ones that had to adapt. How can you compete against a monopoly on repair pricing?

NegativeLatency 2y ago

What if you had 30k or 10k teslas hanging around for parts though?

getcrunk 2y ago
Software lock ala apple?
- jeffrallen 2y ago
  Definitely, and even with some legitimate reasons. The inverter and the motor are linked by a calibration.
- NegativeLatency 2y ago
  Interesting, I've seen people using tesla drive motors in electric conversions, so maybe that's easier if they're controlled by some 3rd party hardware, because you're just fighting the motor not the whole car as a system.

hollerith 2y ago

Maybe someone needs to found the Framework Computer, Inc, of electric cars.

iancmceachern 2y ago
I have the skillset and network to design, prototype and source just about any part or assembly. If anyone wants to do this, seriously, reach out.
alexose 2y ago
Seriously, this should happen sooner than later. We're quickly entering a world where car manufacturers are trying to extract profit from subscriptions (see: BMW heated seats, Toyota remote start, Ford BlueCruise, etc). On top of that, most cars are now shipping with an encrypted CAN bus, which lands us right back in the same "trusted computing" quagmire as every other consumer electronic device.
talldayo 2y ago
Framework is great, but their existence doesn't change the harmful antirepair practice of other companies. Similarly, the ratio of servicable cars on the road won't change the fact that offering less service is cheaper, and forcing first-party repair can even be profitable.
- margalabargala 2y ago
  > their existence doesn't change the harmful antirepair practice of other companies Their existence doesn't but their success does. If and when Framework becomes large enough to steal a significant portion of marketshare from less repair friendly companies, they will adapt or die.
  - talldayo 2y ago
    I wish you were right, but historically I don't think anything suggests a change. There has always been a market for repairable and rugged laptops, but their market share loses out to expensive and easily replaceable machines. Skimping on repairability lets you focus on some other feature that you can market instead, which will almost always seem sexier than "the topcase costs less than $500 to replace". There are success stories here; IBM and Panasonic didn't struggle to find customers for the Thinkpad and Toughbook respectively. But the market was never forced to "adapt or die" as you put it; in fact, the rugged and repairable machines were now the ones that had to adapt. How can you compete against a monopoly on repair pricing?