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The one that makes me angriest is wildland firefighter prisoners can't get civilian wildland firefighting jobs after release. It is typically a job reserved fo

The one that makes me angriest is wildland firefighter prisoners can't get civilian wildland firefighting jobs after release. It is typically a job reserved for model prisoners and if they've performed admirably they should be prioritized for openings on release.

throwup238 2y ago
That's unconscionable. The only way these programs make any sense ethically is if the prisoners get a job automatically after release, which is a huge step up from the discrimination they face in the job market. California really should be more like Arizon, from TFA: > In Arizona, jobs at Hickman’s are voluntary and often sought after, not just for the money, but also because employment and affordable housing are offered upon release.
- jmpman 2y ago
  Hickman is a politician. I don’t think prisoners should be competing in the free labor market, and especially not for companies run by politicians.
- bruceb 2y ago
  How many (non white collar) felons have you hired? I think these prisoners should be given consideration but job automatically? No. People often push for policies for which they don't have to comply with.
  - throwup238 2y ago
    > How many (non white collar) felons have you hired? Four. Worked out great and they were basically free thanks to state programs and tax breaks. > I think these prisoners should be given consideration but job automatically? For jobs they're _already doing_ before they're released? Why the hell not? Especially if they're putting their lives at risk fire fighting.
    - bruceb 2y ago
      Well that is admirable (though clearly as you state there was an incentive). I hope you continue. As I said I am very open to them be considered but I also don't think those who have committed offense against society should have priority over people who have not.

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The one that makes me angriest is wildland firefighter prisoners can't get civilian wildland firefighting jobs after release. It is typically a job reserved fo

by beaeglebeachedd 2y ago

throwup238 2y ago
That's unconscionable. The only way these programs make any sense ethically is if the prisoners get a job automatically after release, which is a huge step up from the discrimination they face in the job market. California really should be more like Arizon, from TFA: > In Arizona, jobs at Hickman’s are voluntary and often sought after, not just for the money, but also because employment and affordable housing are offered upon release.
- jmpman 2y ago
  Hickman is a politician. I don’t think prisoners should be competing in the free labor market, and especially not for companies run by politicians.
- bruceb 2y ago
  How many (non white collar) felons have you hired? I think these prisoners should be given consideration but job automatically? No. People often push for policies for which they don't have to comply with.
  - throwup238 2y ago
    > How many (non white collar) felons have you hired? Four. Worked out great and they were basically free thanks to state programs and tax breaks. > I think these prisoners should be given consideration but job automatically? For jobs they're _already doing_ before they're released? Why the hell not? Especially if they're putting their lives at risk fire fighting.
    - bruceb 2y ago
      Well that is admirable (though clearly as you state there was an incentive). I hope you continue. As I said I am very open to them be considered but I also don't think those who have committed offense against society should have priority over people who have not.