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Many people actually deliver things that are objectively improvements to user experience, such as latency improvements?

toomuchtodo 2y ago
Serving ads and poor quality search results faster is an objective improvement? Agree to disagree. If the only thing gen AI delivers is killing Google’s search standing, it’ll have served a useful purpose.
- phreeza 2y ago
  Is it a deterioration? I don't disagree that results are getting worse, but I'd still say all else being equal faster results are better than slower results.
  - toomuchtodo 2y ago
    https://mashable.com/article/google-search-low-quality-research https://mashable.com/article/google-search-low-quality-resea... https://downloads.webis.de/publications/papers/bevendorff_2024a.pdf https://downloads.webis.de/publications/papers/bevendorff_20... https://fortune.com/2024/01/18/why-is-google-search-so-bad-spam-links-seo-ai-algorithm/ https://fortune.com/2024/01/18/why-is-google-search-so-bad-s... | https://archive.is/CLO4S https://archive.is/CLO4S https://searchengineland.com/google-to-cut-thousands-of-search-quality-rater-jobs-after-dropping-contract-with-appen-436739 https://searchengineland.com/google-to-cut-thousands-of-sear... (I use Kagi, DDG, and OpenAI for search primarily, all paid for, so my first hand experience with Google Search is limited, intentionally; are faster poor results better than slightly slower good results? I can spare a few seconds for better, this is not high frequency trading)
    - Alupis 2y ago
      > and OpenAI for search primarily How is this in practice? Normal GPT is entirely untrustworthy for a lot of it's information. How can you trust it's "search" results/summaries? I've said it before, but it's like watching the news about a topic you know a lot about and realizing how wrong they are... yet you continue to believe the same people regarding subjects you know nothing about. GPT feeds you BS, and you have to be knowledgeable about the subject to detect it... yet we blindly trust it's output on subjects we know little about. That's... dangerous.
      - toomuchtodo 2y ago
        I don't rely on GPT output as canonical, I only use it to help surface big rocks I can refine with other engines and find primary sources. It's fancy autocomplete after all, but PageRank was just weighting links in a link web as well.
        Alupis 2y ago
        I've attempted to use it as a guided learning mechanism - and had some great success, but also it's sent me down some very deep, dark rabbit holes that turned out to be entirely wrong. It frustrates me to no end... and then I go back for more punishment naively believing this time it'll actually be right. With that said, the newer voice interactive version (using the app), I've found to be pretty slick for debating yourself on technical merits of designs/architecture, etc.
        holonsphere 2y ago
        Keep in mind the whole "easy to read" over any network thing openai had going on early on. Theyve only gotten better at hiding their datamining. Theyre more interested in your mind than your wallet. dont reinforce other peoples' algorithm if they wont be straight up regarding what theyre really doing with it.
        toomuchtodo 2y ago
        I pay for enterprise, but I’m also fine with them consuming what I provide to improve, for now.
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internet101010 2y ago
Doesn't matter if the search results are shit, which they are. Not as bad as YouTube's search though, as the breakdown is 3 relevant results -> 12 irrelevant "people also watched" results -> then back to normal results. And that's assuming you have an extension installed to filter out everything related to Shorts.

Serving ads and poor quality search results faster is an objective improvement? Agree to disagree. If the only thing gen AI delivers is killing Google’s search standing, it’ll have served a useful purpose.

phreeza 2y ago
Is it a deterioration? I don't disagree that results are getting worse, but I'd still say all else being equal faster results are better than slower results.
- toomuchtodo 2y ago
  https://mashable.com/article/google-search-low-quality-research https://mashable.com/article/google-search-low-quality-resea... https://downloads.webis.de/publications/papers/bevendorff_2024a.pdf https://downloads.webis.de/publications/papers/bevendorff_20... https://fortune.com/2024/01/18/why-is-google-search-so-bad-spam-links-seo-ai-algorithm/ https://fortune.com/2024/01/18/why-is-google-search-so-bad-s... | https://archive.is/CLO4S https://archive.is/CLO4S https://searchengineland.com/google-to-cut-thousands-of-search-quality-rater-jobs-after-dropping-contract-with-appen-436739 https://searchengineland.com/google-to-cut-thousands-of-sear... (I use Kagi, DDG, and OpenAI for search primarily, all paid for, so my first hand experience with Google Search is limited, intentionally; are faster poor results better than slightly slower good results? I can spare a few seconds for better, this is not high frequency trading)
  - Alupis 2y ago
    > and OpenAI for search primarily How is this in practice? Normal GPT is entirely untrustworthy for a lot of it's information. How can you trust it's "search" results/summaries? I've said it before, but it's like watching the news about a topic you know a lot about and realizing how wrong they are... yet you continue to believe the same people regarding subjects you know nothing about. GPT feeds you BS, and you have to be knowledgeable about the subject to detect it... yet we blindly trust it's output on subjects we know little about. That's... dangerous.
    - toomuchtodo 2y ago
      I don't rely on GPT output as canonical, I only use it to help surface big rocks I can refine with other engines and find primary sources. It's fancy autocomplete after all, but PageRank was just weighting links in a link web as well.
      - Alupis 2y ago
        I've attempted to use it as a guided learning mechanism - and had some great success, but also it's sent me down some very deep, dark rabbit holes that turned out to be entirely wrong. It frustrates me to no end... and then I go back for more punishment naively believing this time it'll actually be right. With that said, the newer voice interactive version (using the app), I've found to be pretty slick for debating yourself on technical merits of designs/architecture, etc.
        holonsphere 2y ago
        Keep in mind the whole "easy to read" over any network thing openai had going on early on. Theyve only gotten better at hiding their datamining. Theyre more interested in your mind than your wallet. dont reinforce other peoples' algorithm if they wont be straight up regarding what theyre really doing with it.
        toomuchtodo 2y ago
        I pay for enterprise, but I’m also fine with them consuming what I provide to improve, for now.
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internet101010 2y ago

Doesn't matter if the search results are shit, which they are. Not as bad as YouTube's search though, as the breakdown is 3 relevant results -> 12 irrelevant "people also watched" results -> then back to normal results. And that's assuming you have an extension installed to filter out everything related to Shorts.