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i bet there are a lot of people that would enjoy being turned into paint and 'living on' in some art. with more and more people ditching traditional religious

i bet there are a lot of people that would enjoy being turned into paint and 'living on' in some art. with more and more people ditching traditional religious burial rites, there's probably a lot of potential to come up with new things to do with the dead

giraffe_lady 2y ago
Traditional luthiers still use animal glues pretty commonly. We can probably turn you into a cello if u want.
- ahazred8ta 2y ago
  They did that with the special varnish in the film The Red Violin (1998) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Red_Violin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Red_Violin
  - giraffe_lady 2y ago
    Ah right I knew it felt familiar.
woodruffw 2y ago
> i bet there are a lot of people that would enjoy being turned into paint and 'living on' in some art. Certainly. But nobody asked these particular people :-)
- gosub100 2y ago
  Regarding consent, I wonder about the ethics in general of "studying" ancient Egypt. It's almost like an arbitrary line in the sand that once it's old enough, it's okay to unearth the dead and study their lives. But clearly we would unanimously reject the idea of people digging up our grandparents to study them. Probably the same for 19th century decedents. Probably the same for the bodies of those in the Renaissance period. But somewhere between that and ancient Egypt (and surrounding areas) we deem it okay to pilfer their memorials.
  - suoduandao3 2y ago
    The line in the sand is generally when someone's recent enough to have living people object, the more loudly they'd object the deeper the line. Funnily enough, a lot of contemporary spiritual groups do claim some memetic ancestry from Egypt, though I don't think that extends to the bodies of people from that era in most instances.
  - abeppu 2y ago
    When is consent of the deceased really required in modern contexts? For example, the remains of Salvador Dali were exhumed in 2017 because someone claimed to have been his biological child entitled to some of his estate. Not only did Dali not consent to this, but parties (including a foundation associated with him) pointed out that testing against other parties could have ruled out the possibility of Dali being the biological father. https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/07/21/538534970/salvador-dal-s-remains-exhumed-revealing-a-perfectly-arranged-mustache https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/07/21/538534970...
- terryf 2y ago
  Jeez, they're dead. Who cares what happens after you're dead?
  - kfichter 2y ago
    Given the extensive effort required to mummify someone, I suspect these people cared!
    - terryf 2y ago
      True, there was extensive effort, but wasn't the effort geared towards providing the deceased god a path back to the heavens or wherever they had come from? So, presumably after they had ascended with the help of the burial provisions, the remainder of the body was irrelevant? But perhaps this part was not clearly defined in the teachings.
      - gweinberg 2y ago
        I don't think so. Consider the effort to hide tombs full of gold and jewels. If the humidification was just a temporary expedient, wouldn't it make sense to loot the tombs once the soul had passed on, as a general policy? I think they expected to be bodily resurrected at some future date. I think a lot of people today expect to be bodily resurrected at some future date.
  - woodruffw 2y ago
    I would probably care a little if my country’s historical record (in the form of human and animal bodies) was turned into paint. (You can turn me into paint when I’m dead, but I don’t think it takes a huge stretch to understand why nobody makes paint out of mummies anymore.)

giraffe_lady 2y ago

Traditional luthiers still use animal glues pretty commonly. We can probably turn you into a cello if u want.

ahazred8ta 2y ago
They did that with the special varnish in the film The Red Violin (1998) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Red_Violin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Red_Violin
- giraffe_lady 2y ago
  Ah right I knew it felt familiar.

woodruffw 2y ago

> i bet there are a lot of people that would enjoy being turned into paint and 'living on' in some art. Certainly. But nobody asked these particular people :-)

gosub100 2y ago
Regarding consent, I wonder about the ethics in general of "studying" ancient Egypt. It's almost like an arbitrary line in the sand that once it's old enough, it's okay to unearth the dead and study their lives. But clearly we would unanimously reject the idea of people digging up our grandparents to study them. Probably the same for 19th century decedents. Probably the same for the bodies of those in the Renaissance period. But somewhere between that and ancient Egypt (and surrounding areas) we deem it okay to pilfer their memorials.
- suoduandao3 2y ago
  The line in the sand is generally when someone's recent enough to have living people object, the more loudly they'd object the deeper the line. Funnily enough, a lot of contemporary spiritual groups do claim some memetic ancestry from Egypt, though I don't think that extends to the bodies of people from that era in most instances.
- abeppu 2y ago
  When is consent of the deceased really required in modern contexts? For example, the remains of Salvador Dali were exhumed in 2017 because someone claimed to have been his biological child entitled to some of his estate. Not only did Dali not consent to this, but parties (including a foundation associated with him) pointed out that testing against other parties could have ruled out the possibility of Dali being the biological father. https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/07/21/538534970/salvador-dal-s-remains-exhumed-revealing-a-perfectly-arranged-mustache https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/07/21/538534970...
terryf 2y ago
Jeez, they're dead. Who cares what happens after you're dead?
- kfichter 2y ago
  Given the extensive effort required to mummify someone, I suspect these people cared!
  - terryf 2y ago
    True, there was extensive effort, but wasn't the effort geared towards providing the deceased god a path back to the heavens or wherever they had come from? So, presumably after they had ascended with the help of the burial provisions, the remainder of the body was irrelevant? But perhaps this part was not clearly defined in the teachings.
    - gweinberg 2y ago
      I don't think so. Consider the effort to hide tombs full of gold and jewels. If the humidification was just a temporary expedient, wouldn't it make sense to loot the tombs once the soul had passed on, as a general policy? I think they expected to be bodily resurrected at some future date. I think a lot of people today expect to be bodily resurrected at some future date.
- woodruffw 2y ago
  I would probably care a little if my country’s historical record (in the form of human and animal bodies) was turned into paint. (You can turn me into paint when I’m dead, but I don’t think it takes a huge stretch to understand why nobody makes paint out of mummies anymore.)