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Given how many prisons treat incarceration as a loophole in the 13th amendment it probably shouldn't be a surprise that they don't take on-the-job accidents ser

Given how many prisons treat incarceration as a loophole in the 13th amendment it probably shouldn't be a surprise that they don't take on-the-job accidents seriously. An attitude of "plenty more where that came from" is a natural consequence of such an exploitive system.

thatguy0900 2y ago
Not really a loophole it's directly stated as allowed in the 13th amendment. This is literally what it's writers intended
- jandrese 2y ago
  The loophole is that you can make laws that specifically target populations that you want to enslave.
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- mrguyorama 2y ago
  Other things the writers purposely intended but we abandoned because it was eventually obviously heinous: Woman can't vote. People who aren't wealthy can't vote. Black people can't vote, but they ARE used to apportion voting power in Congress. No standardized system of "who takes over if someone murders the president?". A massive lame duck period when the president gets voted out. It's only recently that congress has decided that we can't amend the constitution, despite that being such an important and essential part of how the constitution was supposed to work, that the founders put together a bunch of amendments before the constitution was even ratified. They 100% intend for the constitution to change with the times.
  - trealira 2y ago
    > It's only recently that congress has decided that we can't amend the constitution, despite that being such an important and essential part of how the constitution was supposed to work, that the founders put together a bunch of amendments before the constitution was even ratified. Congress hasn't decided this. It's just gotten so polarized and dysfunctional that getting the broad consensus needed for meaningful amendments is seen as not worth it, because it's a foregone conclusion that it will fail. And that's why, instead of passing laws and amendments, we over-rely on the reinterpretation of existing laws using the judicial branch and give more powers to the executive branch when possible. It's to deal with perpetual gridlock. (I'm not saying this is good, BTW; IMO, we need to reduce gridlock in general).
    - gus_massa 2y ago
      > getting the broad consensus needed for meaningful amendments I think we agree, but I want to highlight that making impossible to modify the constitution with only a 51% is a feature not a bug.
  - thatguy0900 2y ago
    I'm not saying it's right or shouldn't change but calling it a loophole like it wasn't directly intended is strange.
    - _DeadFred_ 2y ago
      I think most people mistakenly think slavery was outlawed in the USA, and don't realize that it is codified in the amended section of the Constitution.
    - BobaFloutist 2y ago
      Ok, call it an intentional backdoor?
      - thatguy0900 2y ago
        Well, it's a front door. There's really nothing sneaky about this. The people who made this law were completely OK with prisoners being slaves and said so openly. And if I was to hazard a guess I would assume the prisoners slaves of their time had a much higher mortality rate than ours do.
hirvi74 2y ago
I would feel safer if the people that use the 13th amendment in such a way were imprisoned themselves. I do not like the idea that people capable of such sadism are free to walk amongst us.
_DeadFred_ 2y ago
Federal prison guards often have bonuses based upon their UNICOR (the Federal slave labor corporation) work detail's output. Think about that. The prison guards, who have a financial interest in the UNICOR output, control every detail of these guys lives. 'Hey guys, anyone who wants to volunteer to work overtime can. Also, my bonus depends on it. Anyone want to bring up any safety issues that might slow production? Also, I will be working the UNIT night shift all next week.' Also FYI, UNICOR does CAD work for McDonalds remodels. Knowing that it kinda makes sense why McDonalds went from bright happy places to the dark, dreary places they are now.

thatguy0900 2y ago

Not really a loophole it's directly stated as allowed in the 13th amendment. This is literally what it's writers intended

jandrese 2y ago
The loophole is that you can make laws that specifically target populations that you want to enslave.
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mrguyorama 2y ago
Other things the writers purposely intended but we abandoned because it was eventually obviously heinous: Woman can't vote. People who aren't wealthy can't vote. Black people can't vote, but they ARE used to apportion voting power in Congress. No standardized system of "who takes over if someone murders the president?". A massive lame duck period when the president gets voted out. It's only recently that congress has decided that we can't amend the constitution, despite that being such an important and essential part of how the constitution was supposed to work, that the founders put together a bunch of amendments before the constitution was even ratified. They 100% intend for the constitution to change with the times.
- trealira 2y ago
  > It's only recently that congress has decided that we can't amend the constitution, despite that being such an important and essential part of how the constitution was supposed to work, that the founders put together a bunch of amendments before the constitution was even ratified. Congress hasn't decided this. It's just gotten so polarized and dysfunctional that getting the broad consensus needed for meaningful amendments is seen as not worth it, because it's a foregone conclusion that it will fail. And that's why, instead of passing laws and amendments, we over-rely on the reinterpretation of existing laws using the judicial branch and give more powers to the executive branch when possible. It's to deal with perpetual gridlock. (I'm not saying this is good, BTW; IMO, we need to reduce gridlock in general).
  - gus_massa 2y ago
    > getting the broad consensus needed for meaningful amendments I think we agree, but I want to highlight that making impossible to modify the constitution with only a 51% is a feature not a bug.
- thatguy0900 2y ago
  I'm not saying it's right or shouldn't change but calling it a loophole like it wasn't directly intended is strange.
  - _DeadFred_ 2y ago
    I think most people mistakenly think slavery was outlawed in the USA, and don't realize that it is codified in the amended section of the Constitution.
  - BobaFloutist 2y ago
    Ok, call it an intentional backdoor?
    - thatguy0900 2y ago
      Well, it's a front door. There's really nothing sneaky about this. The people who made this law were completely OK with prisoners being slaves and said so openly. And if I was to hazard a guess I would assume the prisoners slaves of their time had a much higher mortality rate than ours do.

hirvi74 2y ago

I would feel safer if the people that use the 13th amendment in such a way were imprisoned themselves. I do not like the idea that people capable of such sadism are free to walk amongst us.

_DeadFred_ 2y ago

Federal prison guards often have bonuses based upon their UNICOR (the Federal slave labor corporation) work detail's output. Think about that. The prison guards, who have a financial interest in the UNICOR output, control every detail of these guys lives. 'Hey guys, anyone who wants to volunteer to work overtime can. Also, my bonus depends on it. Anyone want to bring up any safety issues that might slow production? Also, I will be working the UNIT night shift all next week.' Also FYI, UNICOR does CAD work for McDonalds remodels. Knowing that it kinda makes sense why McDonalds went from bright happy places to the dark, dreary places they are now.