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"Inconveniencing people" is such a...polite? take, which I don't agree with. * Wife in labor, need to get to the hospital. Stuck in traffic for hours. Mom and/

by dgfitz 2y ago

"Inconveniencing people" is such a...polite? take, which I don't agree with. * Wife in labor, need to get to the hospital. Stuck in traffic for hours. Mom and/or baby die. * Job interview, been unemployed for 8 months, late, stuck in traffic for hours. No job. * Ambulance trying to rush a patient in critical condition to hospital. Stuck in traffic. Dead. * Trying to pick kid up from daycare. Hours late, huge fee, kicked out of daycare, possibly lose job. I can keep going. Let us assume for a second that all the above scenarios are people who are neutral to the cause of the protest. Now they hate the cause of the protest, along with all of the people who felt second-order effects from the "inconvenienced" people. "Inconveniencing people" is such an arrogant, selfish, self-centered way to view a protest that can have lasting consequences. Accepting that at collateral damage is, frankly, bullshit.

keybored 2y ago
I said what I meant. My experience is informed by examples of people complaining about inconveniences in the literal (not as a euphemism or as a downplay) way. I can’t help you if you get enraged by hypothetical scenarios.
- dgfitz 2y ago
  Here is your hypothetical: https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/second-protest-blocks-all-lanes-of-golden-gate-bridge-san-francisco/ https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/second-protest-blo... > "I'm gonna try to get through," Scott said. "My daughter needs me. She's got four little ones there and I'm supposed to be helping take care of them while she's working." > "Our poor Uber driver," said Brianna & Brienne, two passengers visiting from out of town.
  - keybored 2y ago
    Okay. You certainly have more of a right to be incensed over a grandparent being kept from his babysitting compared to hypotheticals where mothers, babies, and critical-care patients are dying. I have not and I will not complain about people complaining about real inconveniences when they happen to be at the wrong place at the wrong time through no fault of their own. And all of this doesn’t change the fact that protests should not be discouraged or be made unlawful (although apparently according to that state trooper it already is) considering that protesters have quite important things that they are protesting themselves, according to their own thinking. From that link (one of the “poor Uber driver” girls): > "Yes it's an inconvenience," Brienne added. "But it's also inconvenient to be inconvenient to a human being in Gaza right now."
    - dgfitz 2y ago
      I have no issue with protests, full stop. I have an issue with collateral damage in the name of a cause. I meant what I said, it is arrogant to decide "my protest is more important than ANYTHING you could be doing right now, because I said so" It's just fucked up. Protest your face off, don't stop everyone else from getting on with their day.

by dgfitz 2y ago

keybored 2y ago

I said what I meant. My experience is informed by examples of people complaining about inconveniences in the literal (not as a euphemism or as a downplay) way. I can’t help you if you get enraged by hypothetical scenarios.

dgfitz 2y ago
Here is your hypothetical: https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/second-protest-blocks-all-lanes-of-golden-gate-bridge-san-francisco/ https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/second-protest-blo... > "I'm gonna try to get through," Scott said. "My daughter needs me. She's got four little ones there and I'm supposed to be helping take care of them while she's working." > "Our poor Uber driver," said Brianna & Brienne, two passengers visiting from out of town.
- keybored 2y ago
  Okay. You certainly have more of a right to be incensed over a grandparent being kept from his babysitting compared to hypotheticals where mothers, babies, and critical-care patients are dying. I have not and I will not complain about people complaining about real inconveniences when they happen to be at the wrong place at the wrong time through no fault of their own. And all of this doesn’t change the fact that protests should not be discouraged or be made unlawful (although apparently according to that state trooper it already is) considering that protesters have quite important things that they are protesting themselves, according to their own thinking. From that link (one of the “poor Uber driver” girls): > "Yes it's an inconvenience," Brienne added. "But it's also inconvenient to be inconvenient to a human being in Gaza right now."
  - dgfitz 2y ago
    I have no issue with protests, full stop. I have an issue with collateral damage in the name of a cause. I meant what I said, it is arrogant to decide "my protest is more important than ANYTHING you could be doing right now, because I said so" It's just fucked up. Protest your face off, don't stop everyone else from getting on with their day.