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Ask HN: Why do you care if content is partly created by AI?

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MilnerRoute 2y ago
There's an implied "relationship" between the viewer of any creative content - and its creator. That another human is sharing an emotion, a human experience, a human vision... I heard someone say: imagine you could replace a child's parents with machines. Would you? Should you?
- dragonwriter 2y ago
  > I heard someone say: imagine you could replace a child’s parents with machines. > Would you? Depends on the parents and the machine. There are certainly parents where if you could (that is, if a machine would do a minimally-tolerable job”), the only reasonable answer is “yes, absolutely”. Identifying those on a timely basis may be a problem, though.
zero-sharp 2y ago
What's the context? Is the content intended to represent truth? Is the content intended to be creative? Can it cite its sources when there is a need to do so? Can it actually do what it's being advertised to do? If it delivers bad content and there is a need for accountability, how would that work? My gut says that it has the potential to create a lot of junk that's going to pass as legitimate, which isn't exactly a good direction.
dragonwriter 2y ago
Generally, I don’t, any more than I care if the creator used any other tools in the creative process.
JohnFen 2y ago
The question is far too vague. I may or may not care, depending on the context and how it's done. I do care about disclosure, though. If the output of an LLM is being used verbatim, that should be disclosed. Knowing that helps to properly understand the content.
- onemoresoop 2y ago
  > If the output of an LLM is being used verbatim, that should be disclosed. But if someone replaces a few words here and there it's no longer verbatim and could escape disclosure in this case.
  - JohnFen 2y ago
    Only if you read my statement as come sort of precise legal language. My intended meaning, however, would consider it still verbatim if you've just replaced a few words. What I am trying to leave room for is using the output as inspiration, but writing your own words. If what you're using is not your own expression, that should be disclosed.
marssaxman 2y ago
The current state of agitation over AI reminds me of the fuss over music sampling back in the '80s. I am sure all of the big reactive feelings people are expressing right now will sound just as quaint to the next generation.
- onemoresoop 2y ago
  And yet many lawsuits and large payments were exchanged over samples from copyrighted material. It remains to be seen how it will all play out with LLMs
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There's an implied "relationship" between the viewer of any creative content - and its creator. That another human is sharing an emotion, a human experience, a human vision... I heard someone say: imagine you could replace a child's parents with machines. Would you? Should you?

dragonwriter 2y ago
> I heard someone say: imagine you could replace a child’s parents with machines. > Would you? Depends on the parents and the machine. There are certainly parents where if you could (that is, if a machine would do a minimally-tolerable job”), the only reasonable answer is “yes, absolutely”. Identifying those on a timely basis may be a problem, though.

zero-sharp 2y ago

What's the context? Is the content intended to represent truth? Is the content intended to be creative? Can it cite its sources when there is a need to do so? Can it actually do what it's being advertised to do? If it delivers bad content and there is a need for accountability, how would that work? My gut says that it has the potential to create a lot of junk that's going to pass as legitimate, which isn't exactly a good direction.

dragonwriter 2y ago

Generally, I don’t, any more than I care if the creator used any other tools in the creative process.

JohnFen 2y ago

The question is far too vague. I may or may not care, depending on the context and how it's done. I do care about disclosure, though. If the output of an LLM is being used verbatim, that should be disclosed. Knowing that helps to properly understand the content.

onemoresoop 2y ago
> If the output of an LLM is being used verbatim, that should be disclosed. But if someone replaces a few words here and there it's no longer verbatim and could escape disclosure in this case.
- JohnFen 2y ago
  Only if you read my statement as come sort of precise legal language. My intended meaning, however, would consider it still verbatim if you've just replaced a few words. What I am trying to leave room for is using the output as inspiration, but writing your own words. If what you're using is not your own expression, that should be disclosed.

marssaxman 2y ago

The current state of agitation over AI reminds me of the fuss over music sampling back in the '80s. I am sure all of the big reactive feelings people are expressing right now will sound just as quaint to the next generation.

onemoresoop 2y ago
And yet many lawsuits and large payments were exchanged over samples from copyrighted material. It remains to be seen how it will all play out with LLMs
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