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The dev who you made download and build all those deps just to throw them away for one. Not super fond of the attitude that efficiency for the end user is a nec

The dev who you made download and build all those deps just to throw them away for one. Not super fond of the attitude that efficiency for the end user is a necessary evil... but a dev can be expected to endure any indignity.

throwaway11460 2y ago
What about the dev who is making the library for their own purposes, they don't matter? Be thankful for the opportunity to use their work for free; you can do your own thing if you don't like theirs.
- edflsafoiewq 2y ago
  By that argument you can never criticize anything, so what's the point of even talking about how you should or should not code?
  - throwaway11460 2y ago
    Yes, you can't criticize that somebody made a big library - you have no idea why, how and under what circumstances it was made. Even if the only reason is that the author doesn't find it fun to maintain a bunch of libraries, that's still a valid reason. It's actually exactly that most of the time - it's a hobby, not a job to them. They probably maintain few dozen microservices at work, why bring it home too? In other cases you have resource constraints, cost/benefit optimization, etc. You can say you'd prefer a bunch of smaller more focused libraries, but criticizing that big one is wrong, especially if you got it for free including the source and a license to distribute and modify it. And this has nothing to do with how you should or should not code, there's no definite way how everyone should code; some prefer batteries-included frameworks and some prefer small focused pieces - it's an opinion more than a fact that small library is better. But even if not, people are free to share their bad work and you are free to pass on it, provide suggestions or patches - but criticizing it is entitled. BTW it's funny to argue that you should be able to criticize a big library for being too big right under a discussion about dependency version requirement hell. One big library that includes everything would alleviate that pain - perhaps that's what the authors were looking to fix. As I said, this is an opinion, not fact.

throwaway11460 2y ago

What about the dev who is making the library for their own purposes, they don't matter? Be thankful for the opportunity to use their work for free; you can do your own thing if you don't like theirs.

edflsafoiewq 2y ago
By that argument you can never criticize anything, so what's the point of even talking about how you should or should not code?
- throwaway11460 2y ago
  Yes, you can't criticize that somebody made a big library - you have no idea why, how and under what circumstances it was made. Even if the only reason is that the author doesn't find it fun to maintain a bunch of libraries, that's still a valid reason. It's actually exactly that most of the time - it's a hobby, not a job to them. They probably maintain few dozen microservices at work, why bring it home too? In other cases you have resource constraints, cost/benefit optimization, etc. You can say you'd prefer a bunch of smaller more focused libraries, but criticizing that big one is wrong, especially if you got it for free including the source and a license to distribute and modify it. And this has nothing to do with how you should or should not code, there's no definite way how everyone should code; some prefer batteries-included frameworks and some prefer small focused pieces - it's an opinion more than a fact that small library is better. But even if not, people are free to share their bad work and you are free to pass on it, provide suggestions or patches - but criticizing it is entitled. BTW it's funny to argue that you should be able to criticize a big library for being too big right under a discussion about dependency version requirement hell. One big library that includes everything would alleviate that pain - perhaps that's what the authors were looking to fix. As I said, this is an opinion, not fact.