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I really dislike that they re-used the TERM value from xterm instead of getting their own merged into terminfo. And then not documenting which sequences are act

I really dislike that they re-used the TERM value from xterm instead of getting their own merged into terminfo. And then not documenting which sequences are actually supported and which aren't.

ranger_danger 2y ago
They have their own, and it's documented. https://invisible-island.net/ncurses/terminfo.src.html#tic-ms-terminal https://invisible-island.net/ncurses/terminfo.src.html#tic-m... Surely you can imagine that it takes years or more to get people to update though, so switching to a new entry right away could make for a bad user experience.
- blueflow 2y ago
  That's not made by them and not supported by upstream, see full thread: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-ncurses/2019-08/msg00000.html https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-ncurses/2019-08/msg00...
tristan957 2y ago
You would be surprised how much software is built exclusively for TERM=xterm or TERM=xterm-*.
- dartos 2y ago
  Which is exactly the root cause of terminal weirdness. Instead of a standard, we have mountains of terminfo entries which are mostly slight xterm variants and ancient hardware
- blueflow 2y ago
  I'm aware and i think its not okay. Its incorrect software. And yes, that difference is significant because the F-keys, Ins, End and companions won't work.
  - revscat 2y ago
    You're getting downvoted but you're not wrong. Using TERM=xterm-* should be deprecated, and in this case in particular that likely means stepping on some toes.
    - Bjartr 2y ago
      It's like the user agent string in browsers. Using that instead of checking for feature availability directly is always going to end up in a mess like this over time. Heck, there wasn't a Windows 9 because of how much software would break because they had `if (osversion.startswith("9"))` check to decide if it needs to act in pre-XP mode, long after XP itself was EOL. Most people aren't willing to give up functional workflows on principle alone. "stepping on some toes" massively understates the impact.
hiccuphippo 2y ago
Sounds like the user agent string in web browsers.

I really dislike that they re-used the TERM value from xterm instead of getting their own merged into terminfo. And then not documenting which sequences are actually supported and which aren't.

ranger_danger 2y ago

They have their own, and it's documented. https://invisible-island.net/ncurses/terminfo.src.html#tic-ms-terminal https://invisible-island.net/ncurses/terminfo.src.html#tic-m... Surely you can imagine that it takes years or more to get people to update though, so switching to a new entry right away could make for a bad user experience.

blueflow 2y ago
That's not made by them and not supported by upstream, see full thread: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-ncurses/2019-08/msg00000.html https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-ncurses/2019-08/msg00...

tristan957 2y ago

You would be surprised how much software is built exclusively for TERM=xterm or TERM=xterm-*.

dartos 2y ago
Which is exactly the root cause of terminal weirdness. Instead of a standard, we have mountains of terminfo entries which are mostly slight xterm variants and ancient hardware
blueflow 2y ago
I'm aware and i think its not okay. Its incorrect software. And yes, that difference is significant because the F-keys, Ins, End and companions won't work.
- revscat 2y ago
  You're getting downvoted but you're not wrong. Using TERM=xterm-* should be deprecated, and in this case in particular that likely means stepping on some toes.
  - Bjartr 2y ago
    It's like the user agent string in browsers. Using that instead of checking for feature availability directly is always going to end up in a mess like this over time. Heck, there wasn't a Windows 9 because of how much software would break because they had `if (osversion.startswith("9"))` check to decide if it needs to act in pre-XP mode, long after XP itself was EOL. Most people aren't willing to give up functional workflows on principle alone. "stepping on some toes" massively understates the impact.

hiccuphippo 2y ago

Sounds like the user agent string in web browsers.