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> Of course the problem is that while the rightwing meme of "is it FROM COVID or WITH COVID" is already difficult enough to deal with I don't actually understa

> Of course the problem is that while the rightwing meme of "is it FROM COVID or WITH COVID" is already difficult enough to deal with I don't actually understand why this is considered a meme or rightwing, its always seemed like a reasonable question to me. As you pointed out, a large majority of those who died were already at high risk, meaning they already had underlying health conditions. If someone with high blood pressure, diabetes, obesity, etc contracts a novel virus and dies is it really as simple as saying the virus is what killed them? I don't think people often articulate the question well, that's for sure. Its usually used as a talking point, but it is a reasonable question in my opinion. Saying that Covid killed someone that has been dealing with health issues for years or decades, and likely is on multiple prescription medications, writes off all of their underlying conditions and boils it down to a statistic that reads as though the person was totally fine until they contracted CoV-2.

SamoyedFurFluff 2y ago
I think this is unintuitive to me, because “dying with Covid” makes the assumption that the person was actively dying from a completely separate cause and got Covid before they died… which isn’t necessarily true for folks with underlying health conditions. Like if I had uncontrolled diabetes which made me move slowly due to foot rot, and someone struck and killed me with their car, do they get to argue I actually “died with car accident”?
ToucanLoucan 2y ago
> I don't actually understand why this is considered a meme or rightwing, its always seemed like a reasonable question to me. I mean, yeah, that's the school of Just Asking Questions. It's standard bad faith participation strategy in discussions, you play the role of an unconvinced fence sitter while actually pushing a narrative. In this case, it was that COVID was killing fewer people than it actually was. While for a statistician or a medical practitioner looking to better understand the pandemic will find value in the answer to the question, your average laymen doesn't understand how to apply the difference to arrive at an informed opinion. People parroting this weren't concerned how many people were actually dying of COVID; they wanted to go get their hair cuts and eat out again. A desire for a return to normal is a very... well, normal and human impulse but if it's not time yet, it's not time yet.

SamoyedFurFluff 2y ago

I think this is unintuitive to me, because “dying with Covid” makes the assumption that the person was actively dying from a completely separate cause and got Covid before they died… which isn’t necessarily true for folks with underlying health conditions. Like if I had uncontrolled diabetes which made me move slowly due to foot rot, and someone struck and killed me with their car, do they get to argue I actually “died with car accident”?

ToucanLoucan 2y ago

> I don't actually understand why this is considered a meme or rightwing, its always seemed like a reasonable question to me. I mean, yeah, that's the school of Just Asking Questions. It's standard bad faith participation strategy in discussions, you play the role of an unconvinced fence sitter while actually pushing a narrative. In this case, it was that COVID was killing fewer people than it actually was. While for a statistician or a medical practitioner looking to better understand the pandemic will find value in the answer to the question, your average laymen doesn't understand how to apply the difference to arrive at an informed opinion. People parroting this weren't concerned how many people were actually dying of COVID; they wanted to go get their hair cuts and eat out again. A desire for a return to normal is a very... well, normal and human impulse but if it's not time yet, it's not time yet.