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>install always-on keyloggers and other monitoring software on their personal computers and phones 1. WTF is anyone doing using their personal belongings for t

>install always-on keyloggers and other monitoring software on their personal computers and phones 1. WTF is anyone doing using their personal belongings for their work? Cleanly and clearly demarcating personal and professional is CYA 101, for both employee and employer. 2. WTF is the employer doing if they don't provide all necessary tooling for the job prescribed? 3. WTF are you doing working for above employer? I sympathize not everyone can do so, but the only way such bullshit will change is if enough of the workforce says "nope" and quits for greener pastures.

ghaff 2y ago
Especially when I was traveling a lot I routinely used my personal laptop and phone all the time. You can WTF all you like but situations do differ.
LiquidSky 2y ago
3. WTF are you doing working for above employer? I sympathize not everyone can do so, but the only way such bullshit will change is if enough of the workforce says "nope" and quits for greener pastures. ...this is exactly what the parent comment is talking about. People take these jobs because you need money to live and not everyone has the luxury of being able to turn down jobs with shitty conditions. Employers take advantage of this and do things like require their employees to use their personal belongings. 1. WTF is anyone doing using their personal belongings for their work? Cleanly and clearly demarcating personal and professional is CYA 101, for both employee and employer. 2. WTF is the employer doing if they don't provide all necessary tooling for the job prescribed? Because then they don't have to spend any company money.
mrgoldenbrown 2y ago
1 and 2 is how all the gig companies like Uber, door dash, amazon delivery etc work. The line between personal and professional has been blurred intentionally by the big employers. This helps them CYA as you phrase it.
BeetleB 2y ago
Regarding 1: Not everyone wants to buy a burner phone to do 2 factor authentication. And many (most?) employers won't provide one just for this. The real evil are companies that require you to use a phone for 2 factor authentication and assert that they have the right to examine your phone because you use it for work purposes.
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 2y ago
  Don't use 2-factor if they're not going to provide the hardware for it. Demand a U2F (e.g. https://www.yubico.com/ https://www.yubico.com/) if they don't hand out phones. It's not your account and you're only responsible for the security inasmuch as they provide the means to make it secure. (Not necessarily directed at parent, but anyone who is unsure or worried about this.)
talideon 2y ago
I had to make a point of getting a company phone. If I didn't, it would've meant allowing my employer's IT department access to my phone, including the ability to read arbitrary data and to be able to wipe it. That's a big no, but thankfully they saw sense.

ghaff 2y ago

Especially when I was traveling a lot I routinely used my personal laptop and phone all the time. You can WTF all you like but situations do differ.

LiquidSky 2y ago

3. WTF are you doing working for above employer? I sympathize not everyone can do so, but the only way such bullshit will change is if enough of the workforce says "nope" and quits for greener pastures. ...this is exactly what the parent comment is talking about. People take these jobs because you need money to live and not everyone has the luxury of being able to turn down jobs with shitty conditions. Employers take advantage of this and do things like require their employees to use their personal belongings. 1. WTF is anyone doing using their personal belongings for their work? Cleanly and clearly demarcating personal and professional is CYA 101, for both employee and employer. 2. WTF is the employer doing if they don't provide all necessary tooling for the job prescribed? Because then they don't have to spend any company money.

mrgoldenbrown 2y ago

1 and 2 is how all the gig companies like Uber, door dash, amazon delivery etc work. The line between personal and professional has been blurred intentionally by the big employers. This helps them CYA as you phrase it.

BeetleB 2y ago

Regarding 1: Not everyone wants to buy a burner phone to do 2 factor authentication. And many (most?) employers won't provide one just for this. The real evil are companies that require you to use a phone for 2 factor authentication and assert that they have the right to examine your phone because you use it for work purposes.

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 2y ago
Don't use 2-factor if they're not going to provide the hardware for it. Demand a U2F (e.g. https://www.yubico.com/ https://www.yubico.com/) if they don't hand out phones. It's not your account and you're only responsible for the security inasmuch as they provide the means to make it secure. (Not necessarily directed at parent, but anyone who is unsure or worried about this.)

talideon 2y ago

I had to make a point of getting a company phone. If I didn't, it would've meant allowing my employer's IT department access to my phone, including the ability to read arbitrary data and to be able to wipe it. That's a big no, but thankfully they saw sense.