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What would you rather they do? Let themselves be stolen from? Personally hunt down the people that wronged them? That's what happened when certain gangs lost mo

by vsuperpower2020 2y ago

What would you rather they do? Let themselves be stolen from? Personally hunt down the people that wronged them? That's what happened when certain gangs lost money on crypto. This is a lame "gotcha" whether you like crypto or not.

democracy 2y ago
If we talk about "stealing" - there was a huge effort to make people believe crypto is worth of investing as some "new money super technology that makes everyone rich", right? Were the risks higlighted? Not really. The richest person in the world (E.Musk) shills an inflationary unlimited bitcoin clone as something valuable (DOGECOIN) - this is fraud on a giant scale. I would love to see him calling out the BS in crypto "industry" - he didn't and instead did dogecoin thing. I frankly don't believe he is some kind of tech genius after this. And this is ok, right? Do simple people know that they put their money into useless "technologies" that are fundamentally fragile and they are at risk of losing everything as soon as there are advances in computing (breaking sha/ecc, doing 51% attack)? They don't. So, that's really stealing, on a grand scale. This 21 million should be an award for the hackers, really. Unless ETH wants to change the "immutable blockchain" once again ))) noone cares these days anyways
atoav 2y ago
Well. I'd say the anti-government¹ type generally has 3 options here: 1. Realize their stance is flawed, change it and go to the police 2. Stick to their stance and not go to the police 3. Ignore the cognitive dissonance and pretend going to the police is coherent with their political ideas. Rationalize about why in this narrow case it would be okay. Now you can guess which one it will be yourself. As this is purely hypothetical talk about an stereotypical archetype of person, things may differ in the single case. Personally I think just because you are stupid doesn't mean you forfeit your right to call the police. It just makes you a fucking hypocrite if you aren't consequential enough to adjust your stance to the choices you made (or adjust the choices you make to your stance). ¹: there are many flavours of anti-government, but we are talking about views, if fully realized would leave our victim with no police they could go to. Maybe they could beg in front of a local war lord?
- DharmaPolice 2y ago
  If I lived in a town run by the mafia and had a problem I'd probably go talk to the local Godfather and ask for his help. I'd do this despite not being in favour of organised crime in principle. I'm not sure this is hypocrisy, just recognising the local reality.
  - meepmorp 2y ago
    Your scenario leaves out the fact that before this went down, you loudly announced to all and sundry that you don't need the Godfather or his fuckin' rules, so you were gonna start your own town with blackjack and hookers. Then you went back to him asking for help once you got ripped off exactly like how everyone said you would. If you don't acknowledge the flaws in your ideas, that's not really hypocrisy, but it is very dishonest.
    - baobun 2y ago
      Could you point to where Flashbots representatives said similar things in the past?
      - atoav 2y ago
        You are aware of what a "hypothetical" is? I can spell it out more abstractly: 1. Crypto bros are known for their "crypto is great because we can get rid of the role of the state within currency"-stance 2. Something bad happens to their crypto 3. They run to the authority of the state to resolve the issue
faeriechangling 2y ago
I don't see anybody who got stolen from here. I see idiots who wilfully opted out of the benefits of the blockchain and then hoisted themselves on their own petard in a bad trade. I see the government as essentially trying to legally enshrine the idea that the public should bankroll the protection of people who neglect the security features provided by the blockchain with public funds.

democracy 2y ago

If we talk about "stealing" - there was a huge effort to make people believe crypto is worth of investing as some "new money super technology that makes everyone rich", right? Were the risks higlighted? Not really. The richest person in the world (E.Musk) shills an inflationary unlimited bitcoin clone as something valuable (DOGECOIN) - this is fraud on a giant scale. I would love to see him calling out the BS in crypto "industry" - he didn't and instead did dogecoin thing. I frankly don't believe he is some kind of tech genius after this. And this is ok, right? Do simple people know that they put their money into useless "technologies" that are fundamentally fragile and they are at risk of losing everything as soon as there are advances in computing (breaking sha/ecc, doing 51% attack)? They don't. So, that's really stealing, on a grand scale. This 21 million should be an award for the hackers, really. Unless ETH wants to change the "immutable blockchain" once again ))) noone cares these days anyways

atoav 2y ago

Well. I'd say the anti-government¹ type generally has 3 options here: 1. Realize their stance is flawed, change it and go to the police 2. Stick to their stance and not go to the police 3. Ignore the cognitive dissonance and pretend going to the police is coherent with their political ideas. Rationalize about why in this narrow case it would be okay. Now you can guess which one it will be yourself. As this is purely hypothetical talk about an stereotypical archetype of person, things may differ in the single case. Personally I think just because you are stupid doesn't mean you forfeit your right to call the police. It just makes you a fucking hypocrite if you aren't consequential enough to adjust your stance to the choices you made (or adjust the choices you make to your stance). ¹: there are many flavours of anti-government, but we are talking about views, if fully realized would leave our victim with no police they could go to. Maybe they could beg in front of a local war lord?

DharmaPolice 2y ago
If I lived in a town run by the mafia and had a problem I'd probably go talk to the local Godfather and ask for his help. I'd do this despite not being in favour of organised crime in principle. I'm not sure this is hypocrisy, just recognising the local reality.
- meepmorp 2y ago
  Your scenario leaves out the fact that before this went down, you loudly announced to all and sundry that you don't need the Godfather or his fuckin' rules, so you were gonna start your own town with blackjack and hookers. Then you went back to him asking for help once you got ripped off exactly like how everyone said you would. If you don't acknowledge the flaws in your ideas, that's not really hypocrisy, but it is very dishonest.
  - baobun 2y ago
    Could you point to where Flashbots representatives said similar things in the past?
    - atoav 2y ago
      You are aware of what a "hypothetical" is? I can spell it out more abstractly: 1. Crypto bros are known for their "crypto is great because we can get rid of the role of the state within currency"-stance 2. Something bad happens to their crypto 3. They run to the authority of the state to resolve the issue

faeriechangling 2y ago

I don't see anybody who got stolen from here. I see idiots who wilfully opted out of the benefits of the blockchain and then hoisted themselves on their own petard in a bad trade. I see the government as essentially trying to legally enshrine the idea that the public should bankroll the protection of people who neglect the security features provided by the blockchain with public funds.