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I live in the bay area and just got sonic fiber to my house. 49 bucks a month for 10gbe. I have only seen it get up to 8gb in TESTING... I might be able to ge

I live in the bay area and just got sonic fiber to my house. 49 bucks a month for 10gbe. I have only seen it get up to 8gb in TESTING... I might be able to get to 9. That is a stupid amount of bandwidth. I give it 6 months before I get a call and they fire me as a client. Cause im going to try to use the hell out of it.

jorts 2y ago
I LOVE Sonic. I also have the 10Gb internet for $50/month and I can’t even use that much bandwidth. Also their customer service is amazing. I was caught off guard when I called in for an issue and a local person answered when I expected it to go to a machine. They also support net neutrality.
- zer00eyz 2y ago
  > I can’t even use that much bandwidth. I built an opnsense box (part of my proxmox cluster) and passed through a dual 10gbe nic. That whole PC was cheaper than any off the shelf routing solution I could find. The rest of the network is going to take time... I suspect that im gonna end up with a few fiber runs in the house before all is said and done.
  - i2shar 2y ago
    What networking gear do you use inside your home? What router? Do they terminate an actual fiber connection (SFP+) to your home or you get 10GB Ethernet?
    - kbenson 2y ago
      You get a 10GbE port off the ONT.
    - erwincoumans 2y ago
      Sonic 10G rocks. I use Asus RT-AX89X router, with 2 10G ports, one input from Sonic, one output to 10G switches (Ubiquiti Networks UniFi Switch Flex XG 4-Port 10G).
    - lostlogin 2y ago
      I’m not the op, but I can recommend the Unifi link aggregation switch and cheap Mellanox connectX3 cards. They are about $20 and are amazing. Fibre runs aren’t expensive but the transceivers are so copper DAC is good for short runs (as the connectors are built in). Thunderbolt sfp adaptors also work.
      - mlrtime 2y ago
        You can thank early HFT and other early customers for those juicy cheap Mellanox cards. They used to be thousands when they first came out.
      - bcrl 2y ago
        Fibre transceivers are not expensive. You can get 2km 1310nm single mode 10G SFP+ modules for US$15 here: https://www.fibermall.com/sale-420055-sfp-10g-ir-1310nm-2km.htm https://www.fibermall.com/sale-420055-sfp-10g-ir-1310nm-2km....
    - zer00eyz 2y ago
      Their ONT terminates to 10gb copper. I bought a dual nic intel card off amazon (its from china) works a treat. There is an OK switch after that to get the network working... It's going to take me. a minute to build out the rest of the network. Switches and cards are NOT cheap for 10gb. I'll probably end up running SFP+ fiber to a few places around the house and putting in a drop or 3 for some 10gbe love in other rooms.
- NAR8789 2y ago
  I once called Sonic on a weekend because my modem kept rebooting. They answered immediately, and the debugging felt like magic. "My modem keeps rebooting." "Put the modem to your ear. Is it hissing?" "Um...? Yes. Yes, it's hissing." "Bad capacitors. We'll send you a new one." This was during the Capacitor Plague https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague , so clearly he'd seen this before. Still, fastest support resolution I've ever experienced.
caseyf7 2y ago
Sonic is reselling AT&T fiber in most situations, but they provide their own support which is nice if you need it. If the problem is with the fiber, you are still relying on AT&T.
- alberth 2y ago
  That doesn’t appear to be the case any more. https://forums.sonic.net/viewtopic.php?t=17580 https://forums.sonic.net/viewtopic.php?t=17580
- rsingel 2y ago
  Nope, they have laid a ton of fiber. Not giving AT&T a dime and loving the fast connection.
- kbenson 2y ago
  Not "most situations" for years and not at all for a bit now. AT&T fiber reselling in an area was always a stop gap until we could build out our own offering at that locatuon and offer a better and cheaper product of our own which is more profitable for us to people that were already our customers, which is a win for them and for us.
  - saagarjha 2y ago
    Any plans to resell AT&T fiber in locations where you don't have service? (Asking not-so-transparently if you will come down to San Jose where I live…)
    - kbenson 2y ago
      That was the plan until AT&T pulled the rug out from the resellers, so it's not an option anymore, as much as we'd like to. That said, I believe we are in San Jose, just mostly for aerial (telephone pole) locations. Below ground infra is much more expensive to serve, and historically we've focused on aerial for that reason, but I believe plans are moving forward to fill in the gaps in the areas where we already provide service with micro-trenching, so hopefully we'll be able to offer you something in the future.
bauruine 2y ago
Sounds like XGS-PON which is limited to around 8Gbit/s and those are shared with up to 64 other customers. If you constantly use it at prime time they could get angry way sooner when the other customers on your PON tree start complaining.
rsingel 2y ago
Sonic (I'm 95% sure that's your provider) won't ever bother you. Bandwidth is cheap once the lines are in. Got a sub $700 Mac with 10Gb port just to test their redunk speeds. The future is fun
renewiltord 2y ago
Nah, they don't do that. You can even run a server on it if you want. Or that used to be the case. Email the CEO, if you'd like. He does respond.
- kbenson 2y ago
  As long as you aren't consuming most of your bandwidth through abusing one of our servers used to provide ancillary services like email or or a website we host (and you would have to abuse it likely to do so), I sincerely doubt anyone here would even notice. You don't deploy a 10gig network to consumers as your only speed tier and design so it can't be used. Even if there ended up being problems if a few people used their full bandwidth (again, there shouldn't be), it's uncommon at this point that people have the hardware to be able to and if they do that it would be more than a brief burst. Honestly, your problem will be getting the other side to keep up.
Erem 2y ago
What hardware do you use to not immediately down step the bandwidth coming off the modem? When I subscribed a few years ago there was no reasonable home network hardware that exceeded 1gbps so I finally gave up and “settled” for the lower speed…

jorts 2y ago

I LOVE Sonic. I also have the 10Gb internet for $50/month and I can’t even use that much bandwidth. Also their customer service is amazing. I was caught off guard when I called in for an issue and a local person answered when I expected it to go to a machine. They also support net neutrality.

zer00eyz 2y ago
> I can’t even use that much bandwidth. I built an opnsense box (part of my proxmox cluster) and passed through a dual 10gbe nic. That whole PC was cheaper than any off the shelf routing solution I could find. The rest of the network is going to take time... I suspect that im gonna end up with a few fiber runs in the house before all is said and done.
- i2shar 2y ago
  What networking gear do you use inside your home? What router? Do they terminate an actual fiber connection (SFP+) to your home or you get 10GB Ethernet?
  - kbenson 2y ago
    You get a 10GbE port off the ONT.
  - erwincoumans 2y ago
    Sonic 10G rocks. I use Asus RT-AX89X router, with 2 10G ports, one input from Sonic, one output to 10G switches (Ubiquiti Networks UniFi Switch Flex XG 4-Port 10G).
  - lostlogin 2y ago
    I’m not the op, but I can recommend the Unifi link aggregation switch and cheap Mellanox connectX3 cards. They are about $20 and are amazing. Fibre runs aren’t expensive but the transceivers are so copper DAC is good for short runs (as the connectors are built in). Thunderbolt sfp adaptors also work.
    - mlrtime 2y ago
      You can thank early HFT and other early customers for those juicy cheap Mellanox cards. They used to be thousands when they first came out.
    - bcrl 2y ago
      Fibre transceivers are not expensive. You can get 2km 1310nm single mode 10G SFP+ modules for US$15 here: https://www.fibermall.com/sale-420055-sfp-10g-ir-1310nm-2km.htm https://www.fibermall.com/sale-420055-sfp-10g-ir-1310nm-2km....
  - zer00eyz 2y ago
    Their ONT terminates to 10gb copper. I bought a dual nic intel card off amazon (its from china) works a treat. There is an OK switch after that to get the network working... It's going to take me. a minute to build out the rest of the network. Switches and cards are NOT cheap for 10gb. I'll probably end up running SFP+ fiber to a few places around the house and putting in a drop or 3 for some 10gbe love in other rooms.
NAR8789 2y ago
I once called Sonic on a weekend because my modem kept rebooting. They answered immediately, and the debugging felt like magic. "My modem keeps rebooting." "Put the modem to your ear. Is it hissing?" "Um...? Yes. Yes, it's hissing." "Bad capacitors. We'll send you a new one." This was during the Capacitor Plague https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague , so clearly he'd seen this before. Still, fastest support resolution I've ever experienced.

caseyf7 2y ago

Sonic is reselling AT&T fiber in most situations, but they provide their own support which is nice if you need it. If the problem is with the fiber, you are still relying on AT&T.

alberth 2y ago
That doesn’t appear to be the case any more. https://forums.sonic.net/viewtopic.php?t=17580 https://forums.sonic.net/viewtopic.php?t=17580
rsingel 2y ago
Nope, they have laid a ton of fiber. Not giving AT&T a dime and loving the fast connection.
kbenson 2y ago
Not "most situations" for years and not at all for a bit now. AT&T fiber reselling in an area was always a stop gap until we could build out our own offering at that locatuon and offer a better and cheaper product of our own which is more profitable for us to people that were already our customers, which is a win for them and for us.
- saagarjha 2y ago
  Any plans to resell AT&T fiber in locations where you don't have service? (Asking not-so-transparently if you will come down to San Jose where I live…)
  - kbenson 2y ago
    That was the plan until AT&T pulled the rug out from the resellers, so it's not an option anymore, as much as we'd like to. That said, I believe we are in San Jose, just mostly for aerial (telephone pole) locations. Below ground infra is much more expensive to serve, and historically we've focused on aerial for that reason, but I believe plans are moving forward to fill in the gaps in the areas where we already provide service with micro-trenching, so hopefully we'll be able to offer you something in the future.

bauruine 2y ago

Sounds like XGS-PON which is limited to around 8Gbit/s and those are shared with up to 64 other customers. If you constantly use it at prime time they could get angry way sooner when the other customers on your PON tree start complaining.

rsingel 2y ago

Sonic (I'm 95% sure that's your provider) won't ever bother you. Bandwidth is cheap once the lines are in. Got a sub $700 Mac with 10Gb port just to test their redunk speeds. The future is fun

renewiltord 2y ago

Nah, they don't do that. You can even run a server on it if you want. Or that used to be the case. Email the CEO, if you'd like. He does respond.

kbenson 2y ago
As long as you aren't consuming most of your bandwidth through abusing one of our servers used to provide ancillary services like email or or a website we host (and you would have to abuse it likely to do so), I sincerely doubt anyone here would even notice. You don't deploy a 10gig network to consumers as your only speed tier and design so it can't be used. Even if there ended up being problems if a few people used their full bandwidth (again, there shouldn't be), it's uncommon at this point that people have the hardware to be able to and if they do that it would be more than a brief burst. Honestly, your problem will be getting the other side to keep up.

Erem 2y ago

What hardware do you use to not immediately down step the bandwidth coming off the modem? When I subscribed a few years ago there was no reasonable home network hardware that exceeded 1gbps so I finally gave up and “settled” for the lower speed…