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In light of the fact that continuous Arab attacks against Jews of the region began decades before Zionism, has it changed your mind at all about the cause of th

In light of the fact that continuous Arab attacks against Jews of the region began decades before Zionism, has it changed your mind at all about the cause of the conflict? I was already aware of the chronology. I've pretty much always seen the conflict as having multiple sources of causality, both in its origins and in its reasons continuing to this day -- with plenty of blame to go around to various parties on all sides. Changed your calculation at least to a degree regarding Arab culpability? That said I just don't believe in the idea collective blame, as applies to any ethnic or religious group. And certainly not going back centuries and millennia. I do see it as an intrinsically modern conflict, and in essence -- the outcome of global and regional power interests. Ignorance, fear, hatred and the conscious actions of individuals at local levels certainly have their roles also. But in the bigger picture -- it's the larger geopolitical interests, and the decisions of persons at these levels which have exploited these factors, and brought us to where we are today.

rendall 2y ago
> I just don't believe in the idea collective blame > -- with plenty of blame to go around to various parties on all sides. These two statements are contradictory and non-sequiturs. Apparently Arabs are not to be assigned collective blame for their attacks, while Israeli Jews receive full, collective blame. No one talked about blame anyway, but the cause and effect of the historical pattern of Arabs killing Jews in the region. > I've pretty much always seen the conflict as having multiple sources of causality, both in its origins and in its reasons continuing to this day This is an evasion when the question became tough. Now it's about "multiple sources of causality" when it's clear it was not Zionism or settler-colonialism that caused Arabs to attack Jews. You say "there is plenty of blame to go around", and yet every post of yours exclusively focuses on Israeli and Zionist culpability and Palestinian victimhood, and you seem unable to seriously entertain any mitigating arguments our evidence on behalf of Israel. Disappointing.
- racional 2y ago
  While Israeli Jews receive full, collective blame. I've never said or implied any such thing. Collective blame and victimhood are your themes, not mine.

rendall 2y ago

> I just don't believe in the idea collective blame > -- with plenty of blame to go around to various parties on all sides. These two statements are contradictory and non-sequiturs. Apparently Arabs are not to be assigned collective blame for their attacks, while Israeli Jews receive full, collective blame. No one talked about blame anyway, but the cause and effect of the historical pattern of Arabs killing Jews in the region. > I've pretty much always seen the conflict as having multiple sources of causality, both in its origins and in its reasons continuing to this day This is an evasion when the question became tough. Now it's about "multiple sources of causality" when it's clear it was not Zionism or settler-colonialism that caused Arabs to attack Jews. You say "there is plenty of blame to go around", and yet every post of yours exclusively focuses on Israeli and Zionist culpability and Palestinian victimhood, and you seem unable to seriously entertain any mitigating arguments our evidence on behalf of Israel. Disappointing.

racional 2y ago
While Israeli Jews receive full, collective blame. I've never said or implied any such thing. Collective blame and victimhood are your themes, not mine.