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Accessibility is for everyone, including you, if you live long enough. And the alternative is worse. So your choice is death or you are going to use accessibili
by yreg 2y ago
Accessibility is for everyone, including you, if you live long enough. And the alternative is worse. So your choice is death or you are going to use accessibility features. – Siracusa
- jiggawatts 2y agoI aimed for the upvote button but they’re so tiny that my fat finger hit the downvote button by accident and then I had to retry the action. This is what people mean by accessibility is for everyone all of the time.
- pseudosavant 2y agoI have a tremor and I run into this issue on HN all the time. I need to zoom in a lot to be sure I'll hit it.
- avtar 2y agoTry https://www.modernhn.com https://www.modernhn.com if you haven't already. UI elements have more spacing around them, especially if zoomed in.
- datahack 2y agoI don’t (yet) have accessibility challenges beyond glasses but hitting the tiny arrows is incredibly difficult. How come HN doesn’t update to be more accessible? It’s been a long time… I’m surprised it hasn’t been talked about by the team there.
- ipqk 2y agoDo you think Paul Graham or Garry Tan give a shit about accessibility?
- dgfitz 2y agoNo.
- avtar 2y agoAs someone who has carried out accessibility audits, I can unfortunately attest to this topic being a blindspot in tech circles. I remember hanging out with fairly senior frontend devs from a FAANG company who didn't know what purpose skip links served on websites. It can also be an uphill battle to advocate for remediation once design and development work is already baked in.
- brookst 2y agoYep. And I think there’s an interesting implicit bias where younger / mornjunior developers often get tasked with things like that, so they see no problem
- spike021 2y agoSame here with essential tremor. Rarely do people think of us.
- vasco 2y agoZoom the website in, the browser has accessibility built in and hackernews zooms in fairly well. Edit: I seem to be missing something as this is getting downvoted. I genuinely cannot use HN under 150% zoom so thought this was a basic comment I was making.
- uoaei 2y agoAccessibility isn't just about possibility, it's about ergonomics. You could integrate a differential equation by lining rocks up in a large desert as a computer, but you wouldn't say that solution is "accessible" to a human in the same way it would be with a CPU, a monitor, and functioning sight.
- vasco 2y agoAh, so people are annoyed that the zoom isn't appropriate by default, I get it. Thanks I was getting extremely confused. That being said I use different zoom levels for different websites, and the browser remembers them for me, I like how the feature works right now, and I have loads of myopia. If people made it "big enough" to be inclusive by default in some websites I'd have to zoom out as well. So my point is that to me is more important to zoom in correctly (many websites don't), than be "big enough" to start with.
- uoaei 2y agoI agree about zoom levels on different websites when on desktop. Zoom works differently on mobile vs desktop which is its own challenge as far as ergonomic use. On mobile, to get the up/downvote buttons to the size I want them, I'd have to scroll side-to-side to read comments.
- Tijdreiziger 2y agoI mean, even at 175% zoom, the vote arrows are pretty close together on a touchscreen. And I’m barely 30. I always end up double-checking whether the ‘unvote’ link is present. If it says ‘undown’, I know I’ve made a mistake (or vice versa).
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- contravariant 2y agoI've hidden and reported so many posts on the front page. I can only hope that the algorithms take into account that there's a decent chance someone trying to hit a link or access the comments will accidentally report a post instead.
- furyofantares 2y agoEvery once in a while I wonder where a post disappeared to. Eventually I worked out I was accidentally hiding them, found dozens of hidden posts I was interested in when I looked at my profile. I still do it all the time. It's a problem on both desktop and mobile. I've send mail about it to dang before and did get a response, definitely a known issue.
- rkagerer 2y agoThis may be an unpopular opinion but I'm just happy zoom works as expected on this site and don't mind if once in a while I have to correct a misvote. I appreciate the information density, and that HN hasn't adopted some "contemporary" UI that's all whitespace and animations. (And yes I agree the buttons are awkward)
- notJim 2y agoSee also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curb_cut_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curb_cut_effect
- Buckworthy 2y agoBy any chance, do you know where said the above quote? I tried searching online, could not find it.
- yreg 2y agoBy any chance I know, because I clipped it in Overcast. It was on Accidental Tech Podcast #415, 26:19. The topic starts at 25:40 https://atp.fm/415 https://atp.fm/415