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Because workers arent slaves or robots, and being on the job doesnt make them such. Your mentality is actually staggering to me.
by BriggyDwiggs42 2y ago
Because workers arent slaves or robots, and being on the job doesnt make them such. Your mentality is actually staggering to me.
- exabrial 2y agoCan you answer this question directly: What is it that you don't want seen by a company representative, on a company computer, while being paid by the company?
- vundercind 2y agoHow would you feel about audio recording in break rooms and hallways? How about fart-detectors in the chairs, recording all that to some database? Same idea, and maybe you wouldn’t mind but surely you can see why many people would. FWIW enough people do mind that this kind of thing is illegal in some countries.
- potta_coffee 2y agoIronically, I'm involved with a startup developing fart monitors as we speak. I'm certain it's going to be a huge market. /s
- brokenmachine 2y agoFarts on company time are company property, so they must be recorded for compliance and liability reasons.
- 4MOAisgoodenuf 2y agoAnything in my home, any traffic on my home network, and any sounds in my home that aren’t me directly talking to a coworker about work matters.
- j-bos 2y agoAnything, I'm paid as a developer I'm not paid as an actor.
- google_expat 2y agoYesterday I was working and my three year old came running -- directly out of the shower -- into the room to show me her doll's "new hairstyle". Can you answer this directly: How many people's computers, servers, and backups should video of my child be on?
- exabrial 2y agoPlease quote the part of my comment above where I said literally anything about a webcam.
- weikju 2y ago> What is it that you don't want seen "seen"
- christianqchung 2y agoHim not replying to you is the funniest tacit admission of being wrong I've ever seen, unless he angrily replies to me. It's surreal that people defend being recorded in your own house. This is figuratively 1984, y'know.
- BriggyDwiggs42 2y agoMy concern is that workers who produce the desired output for their company, ie perform the labor they are paid to perform, will not be able to use excess time to be with their family, take care of chores, rest, or otherwise live life, and will instead need to pretend to be busy as though they’re still in an office under the watchful eye of an overpaid manager. Monitoring should be reserved exclusively for cases where an employee’s output is not measurable in any other way, and should then be kept to a minimum. If we exclude the possibility of webcam or audio monitoring, then my primary concern is that a worker will be made to waste their time satisfying the arbitrary metric by which present-ness on their company computer is measured, and so the thing I am worried about being seen is the absence of activity.
- fwip 2y agoDifferent person here, but: literally anything. I don't have "anything to hide," but I don't trust the company's judgment (or, more specifically, that of every possible "company representative." It only takes one to make something a federal fucking issue.) If I do a google search for "cake toppers for lesbian wedding" while my code's compiling, that's morally fine. But if a bored "company representative" decides to take offense to that, now it's a whole goddamn situation that I have to deal with. Or if I'm on Stack Overflow to copy&paste, and one of the "Hot Network Questions" in the sidebar has an "offensive" phrase in it, is it going to trip their automated flagging criteria?
- CapstanRoller 2y agoGoing even further: what if it's for your upcoming lesbian wedding, and the company didn't know that? Maybe the CEO hates lesbians and this information somehow trickles up and you get fired later for a "bad culture fit"? Maybe you have a disability, a serious medical condition requiring FMLA leave, or something else. Maybe you'll sue for it. Maybe all those activity logs become part of the evidence. Maybe there are other people who got fired under similar circumstances, and you form a class action... After all, who can say that the company isn't engaging in illegal discriminatory behavior based on those logs, simply because the logs were conveniently available and detailed? Lots of big potential problems here for everyone.
- singleshot_ 2y agoI would not accept employment under any terms that allowed my employer to look at me without my knowledge, or snoop around on my computer without my acquiescence.
- dymk 2y agoIt's not your computer, it's a company laptop.
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- singleshot_ 2y agoWouldn’t accept that either. I’ll bring my own computer and then we don’t have to worry about your stupid spyware games. The attitude of some employers is very poor.
- bitwize 2y agoDue to security restrictions, any device you bring to work to use for Company purposes is subject to the IT Acceptable Use Policy and you consent to allow Company to take whatever measures it deems necessary to protect its data including, but not limited to, network monitoring and mandatory installation of endpoint security software. I haven't seen this implemented for developer workstations; generally BYOD is forbidden for computers. I have seen this implemented for cellphones. If you want to use a personal cellphone for work, you have to install their MDM app and the device becomes, in effect, the company's cellphone.
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- nonameiguess 2y agoHow can this be a serious question? Much of my company is in an earlier time zone and I frequently log into meetings and start work while my wife is still ambling about, showering and walking around naked. My naked wife is something I don't want my employer seeing. A house is a shared space. No one in it except me accepted any sort of consent to monitor agreement.
- saagarjha 2y agoI don't really need my company's IT team looking at the meetings I'm booking with the therapist on my employer-sponsored healthcare plan, for example
- giraffe_lady 2y agoThe short prayer I say & religious gesture I make before beginning each new task.
- wasteduniverse 2y ago[dead]