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Does IRCv3 include voice chat within the server, as well as easy streaming within that group voice chat? Does it include rich text such as custom emojis, photos

by stnmtn 2y ago

Does IRCv3 include voice chat within the server, as well as easy streaming within that group voice chat? Does it include rich text such as custom emojis, photos, and videos natively embedded into a message?

megadal 2y ago
Rich text yes (markdown rendering, most IRC clients support this) and emojis yes (IRCv3 explicitly supports UTF8, but I am pretty sure servers and clients generally supported this anyway prior to standardization). Also videos/images you just send as links and use a URL previewer. KiwiIRC supported as much out of the box via Embedly IIRC. Voice chat no, you would use another protocol for that. It's a chat protocol, not a communications platform, but a part of one. I wouldn't even contend that video chat is apart of a chat platform. Slack doesn't have them and neither does Google Chat. They are separate tools within the overall suite. But what you could do is use an IRC chat as the chat interface for a video chat/conference room. Given IRC is channel based, this seems intuitive.
- stnmtn 2y ago
  Without voice or video chat, selling IRCv3 as a discord replacement is a non-starter. Let alone without the other community building elements.
  - megadal 2y ago
    Based on what evidence are you drawing this conclusion from, because I've used discord for years and literally never once video chatted (I didn't even know it had video chat until now) I have never once been sent a Discord conference call link. Video chat is not a huge selling point of Discord, or any chat platform. That's why it's almost always offered as a separate service. One of Discords biggest competitors is Slack. Slack didn't have video chat for about a decade. And to that point, there is literally nothing stopping an IRC suite from supporting video chat. KiwiIRC has a conferencing plugin. Nothing's stopping someone from commercializing that and wrapping it up in a one click deploy package. And what community building elements does Discord have that IRC lacks..? I have never discovered a Discord channel in any other way than directly through a link. You can also send links to WebIRC chatrooms.
    - stnmtn 2y ago
      When you google "Discord", one of the main things it promises is voice/video chat. > Discord is great for playing games and chilling with friends, or even building a worldwide community. Customize your own space to talk, play, and hang out. Why, if I'm somebody who's not really great at tech but do want to host a communal place for myself and friends to talk, chat, and hang out, would I chose something using IRCv3 over discord?
megadal 2y ago
Also > natively embedded into a message I don't think any chat platform ever does this because they would like to support low bandwidth clients but maybe I'm just making this up. Practically every service uses a separate file storage service and if not URLs they use some identifier to reference them within said service. I think maybe you're referring to email, but even then, most MTAs and MUAs will strip embedded multimedia from the body to be downloaded separately anyways (at the user's behest), for similar reasons, but also privacy reasons (and security reasons).

by stnmtn 2y ago

megadal 2y ago

Rich text yes (markdown rendering, most IRC clients support this) and emojis yes (IRCv3 explicitly supports UTF8, but I am pretty sure servers and clients generally supported this anyway prior to standardization). Also videos/images you just send as links and use a URL previewer. KiwiIRC supported as much out of the box via Embedly IIRC. Voice chat no, you would use another protocol for that. It's a chat protocol, not a communications platform, but a part of one. I wouldn't even contend that video chat is apart of a chat platform. Slack doesn't have them and neither does Google Chat. They are separate tools within the overall suite. But what you could do is use an IRC chat as the chat interface for a video chat/conference room. Given IRC is channel based, this seems intuitive.

stnmtn 2y ago
Without voice or video chat, selling IRCv3 as a discord replacement is a non-starter. Let alone without the other community building elements.
- megadal 2y ago
  Based on what evidence are you drawing this conclusion from, because I've used discord for years and literally never once video chatted (I didn't even know it had video chat until now) I have never once been sent a Discord conference call link. Video chat is not a huge selling point of Discord, or any chat platform. That's why it's almost always offered as a separate service. One of Discords biggest competitors is Slack. Slack didn't have video chat for about a decade. And to that point, there is literally nothing stopping an IRC suite from supporting video chat. KiwiIRC has a conferencing plugin. Nothing's stopping someone from commercializing that and wrapping it up in a one click deploy package. And what community building elements does Discord have that IRC lacks..? I have never discovered a Discord channel in any other way than directly through a link. You can also send links to WebIRC chatrooms.
  - stnmtn 2y ago
    When you google "Discord", one of the main things it promises is voice/video chat. > Discord is great for playing games and chilling with friends, or even building a worldwide community. Customize your own space to talk, play, and hang out. Why, if I'm somebody who's not really great at tech but do want to host a communal place for myself and friends to talk, chat, and hang out, would I chose something using IRCv3 over discord?

megadal 2y ago

Also > natively embedded into a message I don't think any chat platform ever does this because they would like to support low bandwidth clients but maybe I'm just making this up. Practically every service uses a separate file storage service and if not URLs they use some identifier to reference them within said service. I think maybe you're referring to email, but even then, most MTAs and MUAs will strip embedded multimedia from the body to be downloaded separately anyways (at the user's behest), for similar reasons, but also privacy reasons (and security reasons).