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With $42M more, 10gen wants to take MongoDB mainstream
- twog 14y agoCongrats 10gen! Its pretty awesome to see a company built on open source technologies doing so well. The community wins & the VCs win.
- gaius 14y agoThat's a web scale investment!
- taligent 14y agoAll the best to them. I hope they continue to market MongoDB on its merits and not as some replacement for SQL databases. Both models have their place and there are plenty of use cases where one or the other is more suited.
- luigi 14y agoMarketing it as a viable alternative seems right to me: http://www.10gen.com/why-mongodb http://www.10gen.com/why-mongodb
- sylvinus 14y agoBravo!
- Irishsteve 14y agoHow long before Oracle buy them
- taligent 14y agoBy the looks of it they may have to buy someone. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/05/25/nosql_vs_mysql/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/05/25/nosql_vs_mysql/
- gaius 14y agoNope: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/products/nosqldb/overview/index.html http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/products/nosqldb/overview/...
- ebiester 14y agoThey already have a very similar BerkeleyDB, don't they?
- hogu 14y agoberkeley db is not similar, mongodb allows you to store json, and create indexes on many parts of the json, and query on those as well. with berkeley db you have to build that in yourself in the application, not in the database.
- Trollolol 14y agoEven Oracle has some taste. Plus, I think they have the single-server-database-that-doesn't-scale-easily market covered.
- Irishsteve 14y agoOnce Mongo starts to get traction with the banks of the world Oracle will be forced to step in and buy them.
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- wamatt 14y agoWould love to know what valuation, they raised at.
- agentargo 14y agoWish I could find the source, but rumors said just under $1B
- Ricapar 14y agoI'd really love to be using MongoDB... but we're a Solaris on Sparc and IBM on Power shop. No support for either one of these, sadly.
- dm_mongodb 14y agoGoal 1 of the financing was funds to accelerate r&d, to hire engineers to do things like the ones you mention above; in addition more r&d just pushing hard to maximize overall product quality, stability, etc. not sure if those exact things will get done and exactly when yet. I'd definitely like to see the solaris build get some attention. dwight/10gen
- xxqs 14y agoa patchset for non-Intel CPU support was around for years, and you guys completely ignored its existence. As well as all the critics towards non-word-aligned data structures and in-memory presentation. how about redesigning the whole product with all that cash?
- zzzeek 14y agoNow is the time to buy stock in mug manufacturers, seeing as I'm already awash in MongoDB mugs everywhere think how many more $42M can buy....
- igorgue 14y agoBut the important question here is: How big is the mug market? Every developer, I know, has a MongoDB mug already. This makes me question, how their mug strategy is going to be with this new investment?
- mdennewitz 14y agoget another mug, make another cup of coffee. even in "mug mode", it's a good idea to have a hot standby.
- rozza 14y agoI ended up sharding my mug :(
- reitzensteinm 14y agoDespite their claims, MongoDbMug is clearly not web scale.
- stock_toaster 14y agoCut a hole in the bottom. You can put tons of stuff in there now! ;) note: be sure to hold it over the sink while 'filling'
- reitzensteinm 14y agoAh, the pipe to /dev/null solution. Now that is web scale.
- dirn 14y agoI have a shelf dedicated to my MongoDB mugs, and there's still some room for them to grow.
- kisstheblade 14y agoWhat an amazing amount of money. Apparently they have got $70m+ in total. Our small/mid sized company with about 20 employees could operate for about 50 years with that amount of cash... An apparently they already pay for themselves: "“Business is fantastic,” 10gen President Max Schireson told me. “We keep outperforming every goal that we set for ourselves and the market just feels like it’s huge.” In fact, he said, new sales people pay for themselves almost immediately upon joining the company." So I wonder what they are going to do with that huge pile of cash? R&D for a single DB surely can't be that expensive (or at least it would be difficult to get that many people to suddenly work on productive things that would actually improve the product and not just make it bloatware). Apparently the hype works, for a DB that is about scaling but doesn't scale yet? "Just another $100m and we'll get there"? How many people actually need a DB that "scales" better than mysql/postgres which are much easier to use and better supported and understood? " Among other things, it has been criticized for being rather difficult to manage at scale. This is somewhat ironic, as scalability, along with the flexibility that comes with being schemaless, is among the driving factors behind the NoSQL movement. One would expect the most-popular of the bunch to scale with ease."
- daleharvey 14y agodisclaimer: I used to work for Couchbase, and am still involved in the CouchDB community 'Magic Scaling' isnt the only reason people use alternative data stores such as Mongo (or Couch), in fact as shown it can often turn out to be a really bad idea to do so. I wouldnt still be interested in CouchDB if it was just 'do stuff a bit differently from mysql and everything will work at scale' type database. Schemaless, Native JSON, master master replication, HTTP API are all features which can be hugely beneficial to particular applications over tradition RDBMS' (those were only a few features and they were probably bias towards CouchDB because I know that better)
- fstephany 14y agoRight, the schemaless and native JSON are the main reason I switched my products to MongoDB. Scalability is not an issue for 99% of the projects i've worked on. Easier mapping between my domain model (I mainly use Smalltalk) and the persistence is a huge win.
- systemizer 14y agoLet's face it, most companies are still built on relational database systems. I'm assuming that a lot of this money will go forward to changing this "culture" and injecting NoSQL into tech industries that have yet to adopt it. ...or they could just wait for the next generation of young developers to take leadership roles at BigCorp.
- RedwoodCity 14y agoFor years intel claimed that developers would never port their code from x86 to a different archiecture. The recent wave of mobile devices for iOS and Android has shown this to be completely wrong. In the future DBA's that only know how to use a relational database will be obsolete, because younger developers that know how to use mysql and various nosql solutions will take their jobs.
- gringomorcego 14y agohope they get rid of that global write lock first...
- gdw2 14y agoVersion 2.2: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4013953 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4013953
- fennecfoxen 14y agoYes, we saw, the per-database write lock. It's soooo much better. Come on, guys. They have real NoSQL datastores out there... with more sophisticated strategies than "keep it all in memory and let the operating system swap everything to disk" to boot.
- milkshakes 14y agonot sure what you're going on about.. what you're characterizing as "punting" to the OS was a carefully thought through decision, along the same vein as the one phk of FreeBSD and Varnish fame made[1] [1]: https://www.varnish-cache.org/trac/wiki/ArchitectNotes https://www.varnish-cache.org/trac/wiki/ArchitectNotes
- moe 14y agocarefully thought through decision Varnish is a carefully tuned piece of machinery that consciously leverages the page cache because that happens to be a great fit for the access pattern that you'd expect in a cache. Mongo is not a cache. It generates quite a different access pattern and it's widely documented what happens when your working-set exceeds RAM or when you put it under anything but the lightest write-load. A single bulk update literally halts the world. Comparing Varnish to MongoDB is quite an insult, akin to comparing a Swiss precision Rolex to a plastic Mickey Mouse watch "with many advanced secret-agent features" from a gumball machine.
- amalag 14y agoI am surprised Clustrix (YC) hasn't gotten more attention. They rewrite SQL databases and claim to be able to scale them. Maybe the up front cost scares people.
- trimbo 14y agoAnd because Clustrix is only available via an appliance.
- trustfundbaby 14y ago> 10gen has invested heavily in ease of use and functionality early on rather than just speed and scalability. Because it’s so easy to use, MongoDB has attracted lots of web developers who don’t mind working around its scalability shortcomings followed them from pretty early on, and I found the opposite was the case, with their heavy emphasis on the easiness of sharding, as well as coming out the gate with 'safe writes' turned off.
- davedx 14y ago"cement MongoDB as the NoSQL database of choice for businesses of all types and maybe even make it a household name" The hype is ridiculous. You mean like Oracle DB is a "household name"? No, I didn't think so.
- seiji 14y agoIt sounds like they've let their ego overtake their product.
- kayoone 14y agoGreat news for business models based on open source! However i would much rather like to see Riak as the NoSQL db of choice.
- justinjlynn 14y agoHow do you feel about the open core nature of Riak? I mean, I would jump to it for some of my uses in a second, but I find that the lack of multi-dc replication support in the open source edition is kind of a killer for my use case. I have the reliability need, but I don't really have the heavy usage to support such an endeavor (as it's something of a personal project).
- bconway 14y agoBut keep in mind that's really only $40M after data loss.
- dasil003 14y agoI was going to say "why, were they paid in Bitcoin?" but then I thought this story was a bit too meme-heavy already.
- DigitalSea 14y ago$42 million is nice and all, but the real question here is: will it scale? Stay tuned until next week folks when we find out, "IF IT WILL SCALE!" cue crowd cheer
- tlrobinson 14y agoIf only "Will it scale?" was as entertaining as "Will it blend?"
- protolif 14y agoAs long as 10gen doesn't turn into Oracle, I'm fine with it.