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> they could not have imagined that they would be adding a word to the dictionary. Adobe tries to fight that, as this leads to genericization[1]. Their tradema
by thih9 2y ago
> they could not have imagined that they would be adding a word to the dictionary.
Adobe tries to fight that, as this leads to genericization[1]. Their trademark guidelines[2] state a number of examples, like:
"Always capitalize and use trademarks in their correct form. Correct: The image was enhanced with Adobe® Photoshop® Elements software. Incorrect: The image was photoshopped."
[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_trademark https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_trademark
[2]: https://www.adobe.com/legal/permissions/trademarks.html https://www.adobe.com/legal/permissions/trademarks.html
- andai 2y agoI understand the pressure they're under, but nobody's going to say that...
- chias 2y ago"Oh you're not actually using Linux, that's GNU/Linux"
- DaiPlusPlus 2y agoTIL, "Linux", without the "GNU/" prefix is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds. https://ubuntu.com/legal/trademarks#:~:text=Linux%C2%AE%20is%20the%20registered,the%20U.S.%20and%20other%20countries https://ubuntu.com/legal/trademarks#:~:text=Linux%C2%AE%20is.... So (in the US, at least), it's "Linux(TM)" and not "GNU/Linux" - I'm going to love using this the next time anyone goes uhmackshully to me.
- medmunds 2y agoUhmackshully, since it's registered, it's "Linux®". The ™ is for unregistered trademarks.
- DaiPlusPlus 2y agoHoisted by my own petard!
- afavour 2y agoI’m sure they know that. The text is there so that they can stand up in court and point to it, not because they think people will actually follow the instructions.
- electroly 2y agoIt's just like "LEGO® bricks." They're desperately trying to avoid genericization but it's way too late and nobody is going to say that informally. All companies want you to use their trademarks as capitalized adjectives but nobody can make you, personally, do that. But it does help with their official corporate partners who will follow the guidance if they want to stay in Adobe/LEGO's good graces.
- deusum 2y agoI believe it's now well into the realm of genericization.[1] Xerox lost a major lawsuit relatedly, iirc. [1] e.g, https://www.consumerreports.org/consumerist/15-product-trademarks-that-have-become-victims-of-genericization/ https://www.consumerreports.org/consumerist/15-product-trade...
- cynicalsecurity 2y agoI photoshopped an image with Gimp.
- Zambyte 2y agoWhile using GIMP
- resource_waste 2y agoNo you didn't. No one actually uses Gimp. We just say 'Gimp is a replacement for photoshop' and pretend that is actually an acceptable solution for people using Linux. (Btw I switched to Krita and I'm never going back to Gimp. Even the things Gimp should be good at, Krita is better.)
- rvense 2y agoPersonally I crop screenshots with GIMP twice a year and it's absolutely fine for that. Not sure what your problem is.
- NovemberWhiskey 2y agoIf your use-case is "crop screenshots", your competition isn't Photoshop, it's MS Paint.
- bmacho 2y agoThere aren't many image editors that are able to crop pictures in a usable way. MS Paint for example can't do that. I wonder if the "move this rectangle" method is under patents.
- taskforcegemini 2y agoMaybe you mean something different by "cropping", but drawing a rectangle followed by ctrl+c then ctrl+n is fairly quick / good enough
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- tjoff 2y agoIs genericization really a problem though?
- caseyohara 2y agoYes, companies can lose the exclusive right to their mark if the brand is sufficiently genericized. Just ask Frisbee, (Kawasaki) Jet Ski, ChapStick, Velcro, Lego, Band-Aid, Jacuzzi, the list goes on. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_generic_and_genericized_trademarks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_generic_and_genericize... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_trademark https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_trademark
- quesera 2y agoMost annoyingly, IMO: Sriracha. The Huy Fong guy decided not to trademark the term, and consequently in the last few years, everyone is selling a Sriracha sauce, all of which are grossly inferior to the original. I've tried many of them, being lately in a Huy Fong desert, and esp during their period of production issues. There are a couple of also-rans, rating maybe 7 stars out of 10. They do not taste like real Sriracha, but they're OK. If they didn't call themselves Sriracha, I might appreciate them more.
- jimbobthrowawy 2y agoI don't think that's any more annoying than "ketchup" or "barbecue" sauce not being trademarked. I hear the sauce made by their original pepper suppliers is pretty good though.
- quesera 2y agoI've tried it, and I do not like it. The flavor is boring. Checking up on Huy Fong today, I discovered that they have announced another production disruption this month, expected to last until Labor Day. Their pepper supply is too green. I appreciate their dedication to product! Yes it's a serious supply chain management failure, but I can accept that their requirements are difficult for vendors to meet. A substandard Sriracha might be better than no Sriracha, but there are plenty of substandard vendors already. I'll wait for Huy Fong to get the good stuff sorted out. I hope they resolve this issue soon and permanently. Maybe they and their old pepper grower can make amends, for the good of humanity.
- somat 2y agoehh... I am not sure, A photo shop was a thing long before adobe made some software that could replace an entire photo shop and called it... Photoshop. Verb your nouns and that thing you do in a photo shop becomes "to photoshop" I think the insistence on using the "Adobe® Photoshop®" is more that the term is already sort of generic and they are on shaky ground from the start. Sort of like windows, or dos, Microsoft goes hard always calling it "Microsoft Windows®" or "MS DOS®" because just windows, or disk operating system are already very generic terms. https://youtube.com/v/BR6F0EdyulA?t=404 https://youtube.com/v/BR6F0EdyulA?t=404 (dave plummer) Not that this will stop them from trying to sue you if you release products using those terms, Gotta give the lawyers something to do after all. Otherwise they would just be sitting around wasting money. This is in contrast to Xerox a term invented specifically for a new invention and the company that invented it.
- deaddodo 2y agoIt doesn't necessarily matter if you follow their guidelines or not, this is all legal facade so that they can retain their trademark. In the majority of instances, they simply have to show they made efforts to retain their unique trademark. They don't care that you say "I photoshopped X" they just care that GIMP isn't marketed as "GIMP: Open Source Photoshop" (or similar instances).
- maurosilber 2y ago"Always capitalize and use trademarks in their correct form. Incorrect: The image was photoshopped. Correct: The image was enhanced with GIMP software."
- ian-g 2y agoMuch more effectively, Velcro's been trying the same thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRi8LptvFZY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRi8LptvFZY It still won't work in the long run, but I'm very aware now that Velcro is a trademarked name.