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They don't appear to be coming from anywhere else, either. Besides, Apple was never creating revolutionary new technology. Ever. Apple didn't make the first PC,

They don't appear to be coming from anywhere else, either. Besides, Apple was never creating revolutionary new technology. Ever. Apple didn't make the first PC, Apple didn't make the first laptop, Apple didn't make the first MP3 player, Apple didn't make the first smartphone, Apple didn't make the first tablet, Apple didn't make the first smartwatch, and Apple didn't make the first VR headset. Not sure why you're expecting anything different from Apple today. What Apple does do is take these new technologies and make them easy to use by the mass market consumers and create powerful tools for creatives to use. THAT is Apple's raison d'être and has always been.

nottorp 2y ago
> Apple was never creating revolutionary new technology. Ever. Apple didn't make the first PC, Apple didn't make the first laptop, Apple didn't make the first MP3 player, Apple didn't make the first smartphone, Apple didn't make the first tablet, Apple didn't make the first smartwatch, and Apple didn't make the first VR headset. Yes, but I move that Cook wouldn't recognize what product to polish to Apple standards even if it hit him on the head... We blamed Ive for the emoji keyboard mbpros, but it looks like it wasn't him, or wasn't just him. Now they're bragging that the M4 ipad pro is "the thinnest ever". New bendgate perhaps? They don't realize that some things people hated about their laptops they will hate about portables too? In the mean time, the OS gets dumbed down on the deskop side and does not grow up on the portable side. Lucky for them, windows is getting even worse with every release and linux on the desktop is wandering aimlessly in circles.
- taylodl 2y ago
  > Yes, but I move that Cook wouldn't recognize what product to polish to Apple standards even if it hit him on the head... That's an interesting take on the man who brought the Apple Watch to market and oversaw the development of Apple Silicon. While Steve Jobs certainly brought the iPad to market, it has been under Tim Cook's leadership that it has evolved into what it is today. Tim Cook understands hardware and he understand markets. What I'd argue that has suffered under his leadership is software. Sure, the OSs are doing fine, despite what you think, but tools like iWork, iLife, Logic Pro, and Final Cut Pro have been lagging and their cloud strategy appears to be haphazard. But hardware? Tim Cook is all over that!
  - nottorp 2y ago
    > That's an interesting take on the man who brought the Apple Watch to market and oversaw the development of Apple Silicon. Apple Silicon was a cost cutting measure. Cook does know how to do vertical integration well, I'll give him that. Wanna talk about how ram/storage upgrades are priced now that you can't go to 3rd parties? The Apple Watch was started by Jobs, according to other posters in this HN discussion. > While Steve Jobs certainly brought the iPad to market, it has been under Tim Cook's leadership that it has evolved into what it is today. What is it today? I own the cheapest iPad possible and I keep it on my nightstand for content consumption in bed. If you're not a graphic artist/musician/video editor, it's useless for any other kind of creative work. Unless you add an external keyboard and stuff and then a macbook is cheaper. I set up a python ... ide? ... on the ipad once. Still don't know how i get my work out of it so I'm not using it.
    - taylodl 2y ago
      > Wanna talk about how ram/storage upgrades are priced now that you can't go to 3rd parties? That's been the case since 2012? Old news, old news. Since Jobs died in 2011, it's very likely it had Jobs' seal of approval. Speaking of Jobs dying in 2011, the Apple Watch was brought out in 2015. It's highly unlikely that it was a gleam in Jobs' eye, and if it was, it was only a notional idea. Cook is the man that developed the Apple Watch, not Jobs. > If you're not a graphic artist/musician/video editor, it's useless for any other kind of creative work. You forgot photographer, writer, and journalist. Even so, I'd argue the iPad is a purpose-built computing device and not a general-purpose computing device.
      - nottorp 2y ago
        > writer, and journalist How the hell can you write large quantities of text on that? By tripling is price with the fancy keyboard?
        taylodl 2y ago
        When I used one daily, I could touch-type on it. Others might use a keyboard. It's a really powerful machine, but like I said, it's purpose-built and I need to do more than the iPad was intended to do. Doesn't mean lots of people aren't using an iPad as their daily driver for getting things done.

nottorp 2y ago

> Apple was never creating revolutionary new technology. Ever. Apple didn't make the first PC, Apple didn't make the first laptop, Apple didn't make the first MP3 player, Apple didn't make the first smartphone, Apple didn't make the first tablet, Apple didn't make the first smartwatch, and Apple didn't make the first VR headset. Yes, but I move that Cook wouldn't recognize what product to polish to Apple standards even if it hit him on the head... We blamed Ive for the emoji keyboard mbpros, but it looks like it wasn't him, or wasn't just him. Now they're bragging that the M4 ipad pro is "the thinnest ever". New bendgate perhaps? They don't realize that some things people hated about their laptops they will hate about portables too? In the mean time, the OS gets dumbed down on the deskop side and does not grow up on the portable side. Lucky for them, windows is getting even worse with every release and linux on the desktop is wandering aimlessly in circles.

taylodl 2y ago
> Yes, but I move that Cook wouldn't recognize what product to polish to Apple standards even if it hit him on the head... That's an interesting take on the man who brought the Apple Watch to market and oversaw the development of Apple Silicon. While Steve Jobs certainly brought the iPad to market, it has been under Tim Cook's leadership that it has evolved into what it is today. Tim Cook understands hardware and he understand markets. What I'd argue that has suffered under his leadership is software. Sure, the OSs are doing fine, despite what you think, but tools like iWork, iLife, Logic Pro, and Final Cut Pro have been lagging and their cloud strategy appears to be haphazard. But hardware? Tim Cook is all over that!
- nottorp 2y ago
  > That's an interesting take on the man who brought the Apple Watch to market and oversaw the development of Apple Silicon. Apple Silicon was a cost cutting measure. Cook does know how to do vertical integration well, I'll give him that. Wanna talk about how ram/storage upgrades are priced now that you can't go to 3rd parties? The Apple Watch was started by Jobs, according to other posters in this HN discussion. > While Steve Jobs certainly brought the iPad to market, it has been under Tim Cook's leadership that it has evolved into what it is today. What is it today? I own the cheapest iPad possible and I keep it on my nightstand for content consumption in bed. If you're not a graphic artist/musician/video editor, it's useless for any other kind of creative work. Unless you add an external keyboard and stuff and then a macbook is cheaper. I set up a python ... ide? ... on the ipad once. Still don't know how i get my work out of it so I'm not using it.
  - taylodl 2y ago
    > Wanna talk about how ram/storage upgrades are priced now that you can't go to 3rd parties? That's been the case since 2012? Old news, old news. Since Jobs died in 2011, it's very likely it had Jobs' seal of approval. Speaking of Jobs dying in 2011, the Apple Watch was brought out in 2015. It's highly unlikely that it was a gleam in Jobs' eye, and if it was, it was only a notional idea. Cook is the man that developed the Apple Watch, not Jobs. > If you're not a graphic artist/musician/video editor, it's useless for any other kind of creative work. You forgot photographer, writer, and journalist. Even so, I'd argue the iPad is a purpose-built computing device and not a general-purpose computing device.
    - nottorp 2y ago
      > writer, and journalist How the hell can you write large quantities of text on that? By tripling is price with the fancy keyboard?
      - taylodl 2y ago
        When I used one daily, I could touch-type on it. Others might use a keyboard. It's a really powerful machine, but like I said, it's purpose-built and I need to do more than the iPad was intended to do. Doesn't mean lots of people aren't using an iPad as their daily driver for getting things done.