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For the record, I'm not opposing any of that, I'm just making a point. Not all the employees can prove it or even be concerned about it. Perhaps it never occurr

For the record, I'm not opposing any of that, I'm just making a point. Not all the employees can prove it or even be concerned about it. Perhaps it never occurred to them exactly because they trust the employer (the reason is irrelevant to that effect). So it can and will happen whether you (not you personally) like it or not so with WFH the question is that which one do you prefer.

coldtea 2y ago
>So it can and will happen whether you (not you personally) like it or not so with WFH the question is that which one do you prefer. No, with WFH the question is if you'll accept a WHF employer that practices it, or if you'll instead work for one that doesn't.
- wseqyrku 2y ago
  > the question is if you'll accept a WHF employer that practices it, or if you'll instead work for one that doesn't. * Provided you trust the one that claims they do. The original question doesn't need an asterisk so it may be perceived negatively. My point is that you may never know even if there's a law for it, unless you actually hear companies getting busted left and right, there's a fair chance that it is happening in your blind spot. If everything is going smooth, you may want to decide on your answer to that question.
  - coldtea 2y ago
    >The original question doesn't need an asterisk so it may be perceived negatively. My point is that you may never know even if there's a law for it, unless you actually hear companies getting busted left and right, there's a fair chance that it is happening in your blind spot. If everything is going smooth, you may want to decide on your answer to that question. For WHF, if they don't ask you to install corporate remote management/spyware crap, then you do know. It's not like they'll hack into your laptop.
theGeatZhopa 2y ago
Actually, in Europe all employees enjoy the same laws. They don't have to prove it. It's rather the employer has to tell the reason why something happens (like devalue a employee, discontinue contract/fire). No employer/manager do this, because mo one wants to be fined/fired by their superiors and the law is very clear about that. Also, employees have possibilities to go to court and the chances are not very low they get their right. So, it's not even an option for employers to do it in the hidden. I'm happy, that it won't happen. Not now and not soon. -> In Europe. I can say that with very confidence. If someone want to change that, democracy of European people will win. I answered your question. If surveillance then only in office, never ever in my home. No matter what. I also wouldn't work from home in the case surveillance is mandatory for a certain employer

coldtea 2y ago

>So it can and will happen whether you (not you personally) like it or not so with WFH the question is that which one do you prefer. No, with WFH the question is if you'll accept a WHF employer that practices it, or if you'll instead work for one that doesn't.

wseqyrku 2y ago
> the question is if you'll accept a WHF employer that practices it, or if you'll instead work for one that doesn't. * Provided you trust the one that claims they do. The original question doesn't need an asterisk so it may be perceived negatively. My point is that you may never know even if there's a law for it, unless you actually hear companies getting busted left and right, there's a fair chance that it is happening in your blind spot. If everything is going smooth, you may want to decide on your answer to that question.
- coldtea 2y ago
  >The original question doesn't need an asterisk so it may be perceived negatively. My point is that you may never know even if there's a law for it, unless you actually hear companies getting busted left and right, there's a fair chance that it is happening in your blind spot. If everything is going smooth, you may want to decide on your answer to that question. For WHF, if they don't ask you to install corporate remote management/spyware crap, then you do know. It's not like they'll hack into your laptop.

theGeatZhopa 2y ago

Actually, in Europe all employees enjoy the same laws. They don't have to prove it. It's rather the employer has to tell the reason why something happens (like devalue a employee, discontinue contract/fire). No employer/manager do this, because mo one wants to be fined/fired by their superiors and the law is very clear about that. Also, employees have possibilities to go to court and the chances are not very low they get their right. So, it's not even an option for employers to do it in the hidden. I'm happy, that it won't happen. Not now and not soon. -> In Europe. I can say that with very confidence. If someone want to change that, democracy of European people will win. I answered your question. If surveillance then only in office, never ever in my home. No matter what. I also wouldn't work from home in the case surveillance is mandatory for a certain employer