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Climate change is unavoidable. People should start moving to highland now.

by feverzsj 2y ago

self_awareness 2y ago
And did you do it?
- asow92 2y ago
  I did. Northern Appalachian/Allegheny Plateau region. Lots of cheap real estate with low natural disaster risk. Also a great region for small scale agriculture. Climate change might even help this region's arability.
- trashtester 2y ago
  I actually had sea level rise and radius from likely thermonuclear targets in mind when I bought my house. I hadn't read The Science yet, so I believed The Propaganda. Now that I've read The Science (IPCC reports), it turns out sea levels are unlikely to rise more than 50cm, and definitely not 10+ meters like I was preparing for.
  - dylan604 2y ago
    > radius from likely thermonuclear targets which direction did you take it though? did you move to a place away from likely targets (which really, with as many nukes that are out there, what's not a target?), or did you move closer so that you'd be taken out in the first wave and spared the life of misery after? my dad used to say that one of the deciding factors where he chose to build the house I grew up in was based on the latter.
    - trashtester 2y ago
      I moved away from the most likely target, enough that I would be likely to survive a 400 kt nuke.
      - dylan604 2y ago
        If it's an actual full tilt global thermonuclear war with everyone using all of their arsenal, I'm not really sure I would want to live in that post-apocalyptic world. Now if it's just a couple of bombs in major metro areas, that's a different situation.
      - GeoAtreides 2y ago
        But how closed are you to post-nuclear logistical chains that would keep you fed and healthy?
        trashtester 2y ago
        It really depends on the scale of a conflict. What I might be likely to survive would be something like a terrorist attack or some minor nation (like North Korea) going crazy. I don't think there is any public setup in my country that would allow large parts of the population to survive a global collapse in international trade combined with a nuclear winter that could last years. To survive something like that would require a full prepper setup. Like a cottage deep in the wilderness, with food storage for a couple of years, water for at least several weeks, lots of ammo for the rifle and all sorts of tools, seeds, etc required to start farming when the weather normalizes. That would be out of scope for me, as it would take up a large part of my life. Selecting a location to survive a minor attack is as easy as consider the view or access to infrastructure when buying a house, though.
Trow839rn 2y ago
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padjo 2y ago
Sea level rise from climate change is a fairly marginal issue in most places on the scale of a human lifetime. Famine from drought is a much bigger problem in the short term.
graeme 2y ago
This is often said in the sense that “we shouldn’t try to stop it we should just adapt” No one ever thinks of ports. Imagine rebuilding all port infrastructure every 5-10 years. Move to highlands all you want but simply giving up is not likely to be cheaper.
- mywittyname 2y ago
  We probably won't rebuild most of what is lost. People will largely have to make due with living in poverty for an indeterminate number of generations.
diob 2y ago
I mean, you and I probably can, but the majority of folks can't.
abdullahkhalids 2y ago
There is no reliable water on the highlands because it depends on micro local precipitation. The lower down you go, the more reliable your water supply becomes because of the larger catchment area. But the lower down you go, the more chances you will get flooded. There are no good answers.
EasyMark 2y ago
I'm covered, I live on a topological local maxima of 100 feet above the "major" local minima of "800ft" on essentually solid rock, assuming it doesn't become the next sahara, I should be able to collect plenty of rain water for personal needs and have methods to filter it. Currently have enough solar for off grid and backup generators as secondary. Hopefully well armed enough to stave off interlopers if it becomes that desperate. I doubt if my house would survive a tornado though, but should be covered from other natural disasters.
- abdullahkhalids 2y ago
  What happens if there is a drought in your area? How do you get water?
  - EasyMark 2y ago
    I covered that, I have 3000 gallons worth of water storage available and means to filter it. I hope to double it in the coming years. Perks of having 10 acres of land to do with as I wish. Some people have hobbies like classic cars, traveling the world, etc, mine is being prepared for climate change I guess? Not sure. It's something I've just been doing the past 10 years or so. There is a whole genre of websites on it if you dig. Not everyone is a right wing nut preparing for zombies :). I'm just anticipating reality. I assume if it got really bad due to climate change I'd have to leave, but mostly I'm covered on natural disasters in my area for the foreseeable future.

Climate change is unavoidable. People should start moving to highland now.

self_awareness 2y ago

And did you do it?

asow92 2y ago
I did. Northern Appalachian/Allegheny Plateau region. Lots of cheap real estate with low natural disaster risk. Also a great region for small scale agriculture. Climate change might even help this region's arability.
trashtester 2y ago
I actually had sea level rise and radius from likely thermonuclear targets in mind when I bought my house. I hadn't read The Science yet, so I believed The Propaganda. Now that I've read The Science (IPCC reports), it turns out sea levels are unlikely to rise more than 50cm, and definitely not 10+ meters like I was preparing for.
- dylan604 2y ago
  > radius from likely thermonuclear targets which direction did you take it though? did you move to a place away from likely targets (which really, with as many nukes that are out there, what's not a target?), or did you move closer so that you'd be taken out in the first wave and spared the life of misery after? my dad used to say that one of the deciding factors where he chose to build the house I grew up in was based on the latter.
  - trashtester 2y ago
    I moved away from the most likely target, enough that I would be likely to survive a 400 kt nuke.
    - dylan604 2y ago
      If it's an actual full tilt global thermonuclear war with everyone using all of their arsenal, I'm not really sure I would want to live in that post-apocalyptic world. Now if it's just a couple of bombs in major metro areas, that's a different situation.
    - GeoAtreides 2y ago
      But how closed are you to post-nuclear logistical chains that would keep you fed and healthy?
      - trashtester 2y ago
        It really depends on the scale of a conflict. What I might be likely to survive would be something like a terrorist attack or some minor nation (like North Korea) going crazy. I don't think there is any public setup in my country that would allow large parts of the population to survive a global collapse in international trade combined with a nuclear winter that could last years. To survive something like that would require a full prepper setup. Like a cottage deep in the wilderness, with food storage for a couple of years, water for at least several weeks, lots of ammo for the rifle and all sorts of tools, seeds, etc required to start farming when the weather normalizes. That would be out of scope for me, as it would take up a large part of my life. Selecting a location to survive a minor attack is as easy as consider the view or access to infrastructure when buying a house, though.

Trow839rn 2y ago

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padjo 2y ago

Sea level rise from climate change is a fairly marginal issue in most places on the scale of a human lifetime. Famine from drought is a much bigger problem in the short term.

graeme 2y ago

This is often said in the sense that “we shouldn’t try to stop it we should just adapt” No one ever thinks of ports. Imagine rebuilding all port infrastructure every 5-10 years. Move to highlands all you want but simply giving up is not likely to be cheaper.

mywittyname 2y ago
We probably won't rebuild most of what is lost. People will largely have to make due with living in poverty for an indeterminate number of generations.

diob 2y ago

I mean, you and I probably can, but the majority of folks can't.

abdullahkhalids 2y ago

There is no reliable water on the highlands because it depends on micro local precipitation. The lower down you go, the more reliable your water supply becomes because of the larger catchment area. But the lower down you go, the more chances you will get flooded. There are no good answers.

EasyMark 2y ago

I'm covered, I live on a topological local maxima of 100 feet above the "major" local minima of "800ft" on essentually solid rock, assuming it doesn't become the next sahara, I should be able to collect plenty of rain water for personal needs and have methods to filter it. Currently have enough solar for off grid and backup generators as secondary. Hopefully well armed enough to stave off interlopers if it becomes that desperate. I doubt if my house would survive a tornado though, but should be covered from other natural disasters.

abdullahkhalids 2y ago
What happens if there is a drought in your area? How do you get water?
- EasyMark 2y ago
  I covered that, I have 3000 gallons worth of water storage available and means to filter it. I hope to double it in the coming years. Perks of having 10 acres of land to do with as I wish. Some people have hobbies like classic cars, traveling the world, etc, mine is being prepared for climate change I guess? Not sure. It's something I've just been doing the past 10 years or so. There is a whole genre of websites on it if you dig. Not everyone is a right wing nut preparing for zombies :). I'm just anticipating reality. I assume if it got really bad due to climate change I'd have to leave, but mostly I'm covered on natural disasters in my area for the foreseeable future.