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Was he aware of the MCAS system? And would he know what an MCAS failure would do to the controls?

belter 2y ago
Acquitted of all charges under the argument Boeing lied to him...Engineers who lied to 737 Chief Technical Pilot...? It's like a game of chairs, CEO's are not responsible because it was lower level employees who did not follow "procedures". Employees say...they were lied to...At the end is just convenient fog.... https://apnews.com/article/business-texas-fort-worth-federal-aviation-administration-boeing-co-db0e14a239e43406d34d7dde99022089 https://apnews.com/article/business-texas-fort-worth-federal... https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-boeing-737-max-chief-technical-pilot-indicted-fraud https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-boeing-737-max-chief-t... https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/why-boeing-pilot-forkner-was-acquitted-in-the-737-max-prosecution/ https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/why-b... But NYT and others argued the story is different "Eight months before the messages were exchanged, Mr. Forkner had asked the F.A.A. if it would be O.K. to remove mention of MCAS from the pilot’s manual. The F.A.A., which at the time believed the system would activate only in rare cases and wasn’t dangerous, approved Mr. Forkner’s request." https://archive.is/Ksu08 https://archive.is/Ksu08
- alistairSH 2y ago
  Sadly, yeah. In this case, it really sounds like there’s blame enough for everybody. Test pilot didn’t ask enough or the right questions of the engineere. Engineers almost certainly downplayed the system. C-suite for being profit-seeking sociopaths.
  - euroderf 2y ago
    Don't Ask, Don't Tell: Wings of Death Edition
  - noahtallen 2y ago
    Root cause is probably still C-suite for creating such a terrible culture and adverse incentives. If the test pilot and engineers are under a LOT of pressure (maybe even financial with some bonus structure) to make sure the plane gets the same type certification, and if the consequences aren’t that bad (e.g. they didn’t expect the buggy nose down behavior when one altimeter was broken), pretty easy to see how they did this. It’s so easy to become complacent and for things at your workplace to feel normal. Like, it’s not really absurd for engineers working on the same plane body and general design to try to keep the same type rating. It takes a strong culture of safety, people willing to ask hard questions, and people willing to respond well to those hard questions. You don’t get that result when C-suite pressures everyone to cut corners for profit
  - Hock88sdx 2y ago
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Acquitted of all charges under the argument Boeing lied to him...Engineers who lied to 737 Chief Technical Pilot...? It's like a game of chairs, CEO's are not responsible because it was lower level employees who did not follow "procedures". Employees say...they were lied to...At the end is just convenient fog.... https://apnews.com/article/business-texas-fort-worth-federal-aviation-administration-boeing-co-db0e14a239e43406d34d7dde99022089 https://apnews.com/article/business-texas-fort-worth-federal... https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-boeing-737-max-chief-technical-pilot-indicted-fraud https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-boeing-737-max-chief-t... https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/why-boeing-pilot-forkner-was-acquitted-in-the-737-max-prosecution/ https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/why-b... But NYT and others argued the story is different "Eight months before the messages were exchanged, Mr. Forkner had asked the F.A.A. if it would be O.K. to remove mention of MCAS from the pilot’s manual. The F.A.A., which at the time believed the system would activate only in rare cases and wasn’t dangerous, approved Mr. Forkner’s request." https://archive.is/Ksu08 https://archive.is/Ksu08

alistairSH 2y ago
Sadly, yeah. In this case, it really sounds like there’s blame enough for everybody. Test pilot didn’t ask enough or the right questions of the engineere. Engineers almost certainly downplayed the system. C-suite for being profit-seeking sociopaths.
- euroderf 2y ago
  Don't Ask, Don't Tell: Wings of Death Edition
- noahtallen 2y ago
  Root cause is probably still C-suite for creating such a terrible culture and adverse incentives. If the test pilot and engineers are under a LOT of pressure (maybe even financial with some bonus structure) to make sure the plane gets the same type certification, and if the consequences aren’t that bad (e.g. they didn’t expect the buggy nose down behavior when one altimeter was broken), pretty easy to see how they did this. It’s so easy to become complacent and for things at your workplace to feel normal. Like, it’s not really absurd for engineers working on the same plane body and general design to try to keep the same type rating. It takes a strong culture of safety, people willing to ask hard questions, and people willing to respond well to those hard questions. You don’t get that result when C-suite pressures everyone to cut corners for profit
- Hock88sdx 2y ago
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