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Imagine how low CO2 levels would be if nuclear plants were online...

martin_a 2y ago
Wouldn't change much if any at all. Nuclear power was only less than 6% of total energy production in 2022 already. https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/29295/umfrage/anteil-der-atomenergie-an-der-stromerzeugung-in-deutschland/ https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/29295/umfrage...
- Kuinox 2y ago
  Coal produce 10% of the energy of Germany right now, it's 60% of the emissions. 5% of nuclear would reduce by a third the Germany emissions by reducing coal usage. > Wouldn't change much if any at all.
  - Arnt 2y ago
    Amazing how right you can be and still wrong. 5% of German production is about twice the projected capacity of Hinkley Point C, the only current nuclear plant I remember the name of, so that might cost maybe €60B. The same amount of PV would cost maybe €2B. If you overbuild PV by 300% you still have >€50B cost difference. You can reach any conclusion if you're willing to disregard price differences of more than 10×. Ditto if you're willing to assume near-zero cost by assuming inexpensive restauration of hardware that's past the end of its design life.
    - Kuinox 2y ago
      > Amazing how right you can be and still wrong. Of course I'm wrong, I think differently than your beliefs, Atheist were wrong too.
      - Arnt 2y ago
        You do think differently than my beliefs… Independent of belief, "X has the following good feature" does not imply "X is a good idea" or "X is worth serious consideration". Belief is one thing, cost is quite another and cannot be believed away.
- athrowaway3z 2y ago
  What a weird reference to take. It should be obvious they're talking about pre-fukushima capacity. Which was 141 TWH in 2010 and would have more than replaced the entire brown&hard coal use for 2023. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1330065/gross-electricity-generation-by-source-germany/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1330065/gross-electricit...
  - martin_a 2y ago
    What a weird reference from you. Fukushima is long gone and decisions were made at that time by the government at that time to phase out of nuclear power generation for multiple reasons. That's the situation to work with, anything else is superfluous.
njarboe 2y ago
Or if they had gone full nuclear like France. From the article: "While Germany's power carbon intensity vastly exceeds the roughly 45g of CO2/KWh of France's nuclear-heavy system, the 166g reading at 1 p.m. on May 13 was below the 170g of CO2/KWh emitted during the same hour in Britain, which on an annual basis has a far lower carbon intensity than Germany."
- martin_a 2y ago
  > full nuclear like France The France that regularly has to shut down its reactors in the summer because there's no water for cooling left? Great idea!
  - Kuinox 2y ago
    What you wrote is propaganda and not true, are you aware about that?
    - martin_a 2y ago
      https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/high-river-temperatures-limit-french-nuclear-power-production-2023-07-12/ https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/high-river-temperatu... but you're right, half of them were down for other reasons, too: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/15/business/nuclear-power-france.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/15/business/nuclear-power-fr...
      - Kuinox 2y ago
        Do you agree with the content in the article you sent ? It says it's for "water too hot" not "lack of water", a nuclear plant can be retrofitted with cooling tower to not heat up the river. This is not done for cost reasons, we are already overproducing when theses nuclear plant need to shut down due to temperature. > Kpler analyst Emeric de Vigan said the restrictions were likely to have little effect on output in practice The article you cite, mention an expert that says it will have "little effect on output", you make it as a big problem. And as the article says, France is still a net exporter at this climate, we export to countries that need a lot of electricity in the night, like Germany, exports have been massive theses days https://www.rte-france.com/en/eco2mix/cross-border-electricity-trading https://www.rte-france.com/en/eco2mix/cross-border-electrici... , despite germany attempt to sabotage our industry.

Wouldn't change much if any at all. Nuclear power was only less than 6% of total energy production in 2022 already. https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/29295/umfrage/anteil-der-atomenergie-an-der-stromerzeugung-in-deutschland/ https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/29295/umfrage...

Kuinox 2y ago
Coal produce 10% of the energy of Germany right now, it's 60% of the emissions. 5% of nuclear would reduce by a third the Germany emissions by reducing coal usage. > Wouldn't change much if any at all.
- Arnt 2y ago
  Amazing how right you can be and still wrong. 5% of German production is about twice the projected capacity of Hinkley Point C, the only current nuclear plant I remember the name of, so that might cost maybe €60B. The same amount of PV would cost maybe €2B. If you overbuild PV by 300% you still have >€50B cost difference. You can reach any conclusion if you're willing to disregard price differences of more than 10×. Ditto if you're willing to assume near-zero cost by assuming inexpensive restauration of hardware that's past the end of its design life.
  - Kuinox 2y ago
    > Amazing how right you can be and still wrong. Of course I'm wrong, I think differently than your beliefs, Atheist were wrong too.
    - Arnt 2y ago
      You do think differently than my beliefs… Independent of belief, "X has the following good feature" does not imply "X is a good idea" or "X is worth serious consideration". Belief is one thing, cost is quite another and cannot be believed away.
athrowaway3z 2y ago
What a weird reference to take. It should be obvious they're talking about pre-fukushima capacity. Which was 141 TWH in 2010 and would have more than replaced the entire brown&hard coal use for 2023. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1330065/gross-electricity-generation-by-source-germany/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1330065/gross-electricit...
- martin_a 2y ago
  What a weird reference from you. Fukushima is long gone and decisions were made at that time by the government at that time to phase out of nuclear power generation for multiple reasons. That's the situation to work with, anything else is superfluous.

njarboe 2y ago

Or if they had gone full nuclear like France. From the article: "While Germany's power carbon intensity vastly exceeds the roughly 45g of CO2/KWh of France's nuclear-heavy system, the 166g reading at 1 p.m. on May 13 was below the 170g of CO2/KWh emitted during the same hour in Britain, which on an annual basis has a far lower carbon intensity than Germany."

martin_a 2y ago
> full nuclear like France The France that regularly has to shut down its reactors in the summer because there's no water for cooling left? Great idea!
- Kuinox 2y ago
  What you wrote is propaganda and not true, are you aware about that?
  - martin_a 2y ago
    https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/high-river-temperatures-limit-french-nuclear-power-production-2023-07-12/ https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/high-river-temperatu... but you're right, half of them were down for other reasons, too: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/15/business/nuclear-power-france.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/15/business/nuclear-power-fr...
    - Kuinox 2y ago
      Do you agree with the content in the article you sent ? It says it's for "water too hot" not "lack of water", a nuclear plant can be retrofitted with cooling tower to not heat up the river. This is not done for cost reasons, we are already overproducing when theses nuclear plant need to shut down due to temperature. > Kpler analyst Emeric de Vigan said the restrictions were likely to have little effect on output in practice The article you cite, mention an expert that says it will have "little effect on output", you make it as a big problem. And as the article says, France is still a net exporter at this climate, we export to countries that need a lot of electricity in the night, like Germany, exports have been massive theses days https://www.rte-france.com/en/eco2mix/cross-border-electricity-trading https://www.rte-france.com/en/eco2mix/cross-border-electrici... , despite germany attempt to sabotage our industry.