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"Oracle’s move seems like a straightforward decision to ensure it is using the most permissive underlying IaC tool without having to worry about downstream lice

• croes 2y ago
  Oracle owns MySQL but not Terraform
  • ethbr1 2y ago
    Ah, so they meant avoiding 'downstream license complications' they don't cause.
    • baobun 2y ago
      I wouldn't expect Oracle to have a license complication with itself...
      • dijit 2y ago
        it's mostly just hypocritical. If everyone acted like Oracle; there would be no mysql users. Which is the point being made.
        • snapcaster 2y ago
          I don't understand your comment. Oracle is hypocritical because like every company they take everything they can and give the minimum they have to? which part is hypocritical?
          • dijit 2y ago
            I'm incredulous that you don't understand, but I'll humour you. Let's see; If I giving away a product because I think it's for the betterment of mankind, and definitely not an attempt to rug-pull or anything like that: no, just for developer good will. Then I am offered a free service, and I do not use it for fear that there could potentially be some rugpulling, despite having a reputation for that myself: and the project I'm considering having no reputation for that. Then the pretense in which I "give away" my software, is morally dubious. I would never permit myself to be in the same situation as I need others to be in order for my product to be successful. MySQL/Virtualbox/Java etc;
            • alexey-salmin 2y ago
              This still doesn't make any sense to me. In order to use free software you need to make all your software free, is it that? I have no sympathy for oracle or their products but I fail to see the hypocrisy here. I think oracle is pretty consistent in their position over the years.
              • dijit 2y ago
                If I give you software, and tell you to trust me - but I will not use software given because I do not trust: surely I can read something into that. Clearly Oracle are aware of the danger that they themselves ask people to ignore.
                • baobun 2y ago
                  Business is business. I wouldn't call Zuck a hypocrite for not exposing himself on TikTok. (There may be other reasons to do so but that's not here nor there) You are also committing the classic mistake of anthropomorphizing Larry Ellison.
            • snapcaster 2y ago
              What are you talking about? this is a COMPANY NOT A PERSON. Who is "I" in your example? The point of Oracle is to maximize it's profits, it appears to be doing that via whatever means are available. This is not hypocrisy or anything like it
    • disintegore 2y ago
      This is a slam dunk for free software. Even Oracle can't deny the benefits.
• freedomben 2y ago
  Especially ironic, given that Oracle is one of the nastiest and most aggressive companies at enforcing license terms.
  • Timshel 2y ago
    In a way they know the worst that can happen :D
    • SteveNuts 2y ago
      Yeah this is absolutely projection on Oracle's part
  • globular-toast 2y ago
    There is no contradiction here. It's exceedingly simple: companies will take as much as they can and give as little as they can. That's why it's important to raise the bar on what they have to give and reject all permissive (non-copyleft) free software licences.
    • sneak 2y ago
      Copyleft is not required, free software is a gift freely given. Even public domain is ok (weird places like Germany that don’t have public domain notwithstanding). What must be rejected is nonfree licenses like the BSL.
      • globular-toast 2y ago
        > Copyleft is not required Yes it is. Because companies (like Oracle) will take as much as they can and give as little as they can. > free software is a gift freely given It's a gift to the public, not to individuals and companies (like Oracle). > Even public domain is ok Even worse because that expressly allows companies (like Oracle) to take everything and give nothing.
        • therealpygon 2y ago
• matt_heimer 2y ago
  Funny that you mention MariaDB. Oracle bought MySQL which was forked into MariaDB. MariaDB created the Business Source License (BSL). Hashicorp switches Terraform to BSL which then leads to Terraform being forked into OpenTofu. OpenTofu seems to be getting adopted by Oracle.
  • oschvr 2y ago
    Full circle of corporate facepalm
    • beefnugs 2y ago
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• skywhopper 2y ago
  Oracle owns the most permissive possible license to MySQL.
  • Lockal 2y ago
    Ah, that flexible "COST license" - "contact our sales team" license