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Some people believe sex and gender are different things and gender is just sex based stereotypes. These views are legal and in the UK considered protected. You

Some people believe sex and gender are different things and gender is just sex based stereotypes. These views are legal and in the UK considered protected. You wouldn't call someone transgender if they didn't believe they were trans, or someone a christian if they didn't believe in the bible, it's the same the other way round. If someone doesn't think gender is real, calling them it is putting a label on them they don't agree with. I've then seen the label used to devalue people's opinions on things, so yes it can be a slur. Unfortunately these debates end up being so toxic due to people on both sides.

viraptor 2y ago
> calling them it is putting a label on them they don't agree with. That does not follow from your examples. I don't have religious beliefs, therefore I'm an atheist - a label which wouldn't exist without religious views. The fact people have religious views does not devalue my ideas in any way and isn't insulting in any way. People who don't believe gender can be different than gender/sex at birth do not even disagree with the idea of being cisgendered. They just don't agree that other options exist.
- brentcast 2y ago
  The objection to cisgendered is that it is based on the disputed belief that the categories of woman and man are further split into the subcategories trans and cis. Such that what was previously understood as woman (as in, an adult female human) is, per this belief, cis woman, and man who desires to be a woman (or some similar description) is now trans woman. Many people who don't hold this belief oppose being referred to as cisgender or cis woman or cis man or cis, because it implicitly regards this belief as being true. This is unlike the term atheist, which acknowledges that theistic beliefs exist, but doesn't imply that any of these beliefs are true.

viraptor 2y ago

> calling them it is putting a label on them they don't agree with. That does not follow from your examples. I don't have religious beliefs, therefore I'm an atheist - a label which wouldn't exist without religious views. The fact people have religious views does not devalue my ideas in any way and isn't insulting in any way. People who don't believe gender can be different than gender/sex at birth do not even disagree with the idea of being cisgendered. They just don't agree that other options exist.

brentcast 2y ago
The objection to cisgendered is that it is based on the disputed belief that the categories of woman and man are further split into the subcategories trans and cis. Such that what was previously understood as woman (as in, an adult female human) is, per this belief, cis woman, and man who desires to be a woman (or some similar description) is now trans woman. Many people who don't hold this belief oppose being referred to as cisgender or cis woman or cis man or cis, because it implicitly regards this belief as being true. This is unlike the term atheist, which acknowledges that theistic beliefs exist, but doesn't imply that any of these beliefs are true.