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If that were widely believed, passports wouldn't exist, and trespassing wouldn't be something you could be charged with. You can say it's a right, but I'm not

by iteria 2y ago

If that were widely believed, passports wouldn't exist, and trespassing wouldn't be something you could be charged with. You can say it's a right, but I'm not sure there's any wealthy nation that believes that any random human should be allowed to travel wherever they please without paperwork to prove they belong and/or are safe. I'm not really a fan of real ID, but I also think that the US should has a national ID and the US has the right to deny free travel to those it didn't invite in anyway.

piloto_ciego 2y ago
Ummm, America? I do not need any paperwork to walk wherever I want to, most of Europe is that way too. I’ve crossed borders on foot a couple times in Europe. It’s not a big deal. In my old life I flew over a lot of borders - you cannot see the line usually from the air. Stressing about imaginary lines is unbelievably silly. Look, humans are by our very nature nomadic, we traditionally used to have a “seasonal round” where we lived in multiple places in a given year to have more access to better food/water sources etc. Being able to travel where you like is a fundamental part of being human, borders restricting that are what’s weird, not the other way around. Restrictions on travel are a relatively new phenomenon. The difference is it was just physically harder to get places 1000 years ago, and that formed its own sort of barrier. Someone else said that you used to not need ID to even fly before TWA800, I don’t know if that’s true, but I do know that you could walk up to the gate when I was a kid. And why should you need an ID? Tracking every movement of every person doesn’t grant any sort of security to anyone.
- zoklet-enjoyer 2y ago
  You need paperwork when you enter and exit the US. You need paperwork when you purchase or rent a vehicle or get onto a plane. I've never been to Europe, but it sounds like traveling between EU countries is the same as traveling between US states. The borders are there for tax and law enforcement purposes.
  - piloto_ciego 2y ago
    You shouldn’t. All that paperwork is a recent invention. You should be able to live and go wherever you want to. I cannot see why this is so hard for people to understand. Why should the state have the right to tell you where you can go? If you’re violent or a criminal or something, convict the person, but crossing an imaginary line without permission shouldn’t be illegal.

by iteria 2y ago

piloto_ciego 2y ago

Ummm, America? I do not need any paperwork to walk wherever I want to, most of Europe is that way too. I’ve crossed borders on foot a couple times in Europe. It’s not a big deal. In my old life I flew over a lot of borders - you cannot see the line usually from the air. Stressing about imaginary lines is unbelievably silly. Look, humans are by our very nature nomadic, we traditionally used to have a “seasonal round” where we lived in multiple places in a given year to have more access to better food/water sources etc. Being able to travel where you like is a fundamental part of being human, borders restricting that are what’s weird, not the other way around. Restrictions on travel are a relatively new phenomenon. The difference is it was just physically harder to get places 1000 years ago, and that formed its own sort of barrier. Someone else said that you used to not need ID to even fly before TWA800, I don’t know if that’s true, but I do know that you could walk up to the gate when I was a kid. And why should you need an ID? Tracking every movement of every person doesn’t grant any sort of security to anyone.

zoklet-enjoyer 2y ago
You need paperwork when you enter and exit the US. You need paperwork when you purchase or rent a vehicle or get onto a plane. I've never been to Europe, but it sounds like traveling between EU countries is the same as traveling between US states. The borders are there for tax and law enforcement purposes.
- piloto_ciego 2y ago
  You shouldn’t. All that paperwork is a recent invention. You should be able to live and go wherever you want to. I cannot see why this is so hard for people to understand. Why should the state have the right to tell you where you can go? If you’re violent or a criminal or something, convict the person, but crossing an imaginary line without permission shouldn’t be illegal.