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Strongtowns does all their calculation on the worth of a city/town etc based on how much tax revenue it produces. Cities are expensive places to live and mostl
by ars 2y ago
Strongtowns does all their calculation on the worth of a city/town etc based on how much tax revenue it produces.
Cities are expensive places to live and mostly produce services with high taxes. The city costs a lot, but also generates a lot. And cities are necessary, because we do need those services. (Programmers, accountants, lawyers, doctors.)
But it completely ignores that a suburb where the locals commute to a warehouse or a factory also provides value. The tax value is lower - so in strongtowns' mind it's worthless.
But I hope it's obvious that without those employees all the cities would have nothing to eat (all those packaged foods are made somewhere after all) and nothing to buy (cities for the most part manufacture nothing).
You need both types of places in the world, and I think people should be allowed to live where they chose without people pressuring them to move to a city.
They make an "exception" for rural areas because farms are an obvious need, but they want the farms to exist without any cities nearby. The farmers are expected to travel to the nearest large city when they need city services (obviously not something they can do very often).
They also have a goal of less interstates - they don't want people driving around a lot. How they expect to ship things I'm not sure (trains maybe?) But also how they expect people to get any enjoyment out of life I'm also not sure. Just stay put in your area and do your job I suppose?
There's so much more to criticize:
He's the usual city growth plan: The edge of a city becomes those "hated" suburbs. As the suburb fills up with people it becomes worth it to subdivide lots and build more houses, over time it becomes dense like a city.
They instead want to skip the suburb step and just directly build very densely on the edge of the city.
Their calculations on roads:
Suburbs need way more roads per person. But suburban roads cost a lot less per mile - like way less. Suburban roads also last much much longer (far less traffic). The net result is that the cost per person is basically a wash. They ignore that though.
They don't like having to run long water pipes to the houses, but the costs of those water pipes is minimal over time, they last 100 years. It's just not an expensive enough problem to worry about.
Police have a larger area to deal with, but there's also less crime to deal with.
Anyway I'll stop here.
- bhickey 2y ago> Suburban roads also last much much longer (far less traffic). Have you got a citation on that? I was under the impression that most road wear is caused by heavy trucking and water/frost heaves.
- Tade0 2y agoThank you, that was pretty informative. > They don't like having to run long water pipes to the houses, but the costs of those water pipes is minimal over time, they last 100 years. It's just not an expensive enough problem to worry about. My reading of their materials was that according to them the pipes last 30 years and taxes from the entire county are not enough to cover for that, but I have no way to falsify that claim. Anyway, in my corner of the world people have been moving to the suburbs as well, but the reason is that the same credit score allows one to get approximately twice the living space in the suburbs, which sounds like a lot until it's mentioned that we're talking about 112m2 or 1200sq ft houses. I mean no disrespect by this, but I get the feeling that they're catering to a specific demographic and I'm not in it.
- rascul 2y agoWe're definitely not digging up and replacing water lines every 30 years, in general.