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The first thing I will do when I get access to this is ask it to generate a realistic chess board. I have never gotten a decent looking chessboard with any imag
by salamo 2y ago
The first thing I will do when I get access to this is ask it to generate a realistic chess board. I have never gotten a decent looking chessboard with any image generator that doesn't have deformed pieces, the correct number of squares, squares properly in a checkerboard pattern, pieces placed in the correct position, board oriented properly (white on the right!) and not an otherwise illegal position. It seems to be an "AI complete" problem.
- arcticbull 2y agoSimilarly the Veo example of the northern lights is a really interesting one. That's not what the northern lights look like to the naked eye - they're actually pretty grey. The really bright greens and even the reds really only come out when you take a photo of them with a camera. Of course the model couldn't know that because, well, it only gets trained on photos. Gets really existential - simulacra energy - maybe another good AI Turing test, for now.
- 22c 2y agoI've only ever seen photos of the northern lights and I also didn't know that.
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- sdenton4 2y agoThat doesn't seem in any way useful, though... To use a very blunt analogy, are color blind people intelligent/sentient/whatever? Obviously, yes: differences in perceptual apparatus aren't useful indicators of intelligence.
- shermantanktop 2y agoAs a colorblind person…I could see the northern lights way better than all the full-color-vision people around me squinting at their phones. Wider bandwidth isn’t always better.
- Ferret7446 2y ago> I could see the northern lights way better than all the full-color-vision people around me How would you know?
- squeaky-clean 2y agoQuote the entire sentence, not just a portion of it.
- Ferret7446 2y agoI don't see how that's relevant, unless you're able to possess people looking at their phones to experience what they're experiencing.
- shermantanktop 2y agoTo add a bit of color (ha) I was with my color-sighted spouse at a spot well known for panoramic views. 50ish people there. Many conversations happening around me. “I can’t see anything” “Maybe that’s something over there?” “What’s everyone looking at?” Someone shows their phone. “Ooh!” “How do you turn on night mode?” “Wow it’s so much clearer on the phone!” So I can’t know what their eyes see or what they really think, I could hear what came out of their mouths. I don’t think this is an instance that warrants deep philosophical skepticism about the nature of truth or the impossibility of knowledge.
- pmlarocque 2y agoThat not true, they look grey when they aren't bright enough, but they can look green or red to the naked eyes if they are bright. I have seen it myself and yes I was disappointed to see only grey ones last week. see: https://theconversation.com/what-causes-the-different-colours-of-the-aurora-an-expert-explains-the-electric-rainbow-229899?utm_source=pocket-newtab-en-us https://theconversation.com/what-causes-the-different-colour...
- arcticbull 2y ago> [Aurora] only appear to us in shades of gray because the light is too faint to be sensed by our color-detecting cone cells." > Thus, the human eye primarily views the Northern Lights in faint colors and shades of gray and white. DSLR camera sensors don't have that limitation. Couple that fact with the long exposure times and high ISO settings of modern cameras and it becomes clear that the camera sensor has a much higher dynamic range of vision in the dark than people do. https://www.space.com/23707-only-photos-reveal-aurora-true-color.html https://www.space.com/23707-only-photos-reveal-aurora-true-c... This aligns with my experiences. The brightest ones I saw in Northern Canada I even saw hints of reds - but no real greens - until I looked at it through my phone, and it looked just like the simulated video. If I looked up and saw them the way they appear in the simulation, in real life, I'd run for a pair of leaded undies.
- Tronno 2y agoI've seen it bright green with the naked eye. It definitely happens. That article is inaccurate.
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- Kiro 2y agoThat is totally incorrect which anyone who have seen real northern lights can attest to. I'm sorry that you haven't gotten the chance to experience it and now think all northern lights are that lackluster.
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- paxys 2y agoThat's not true at all. I have seen northern lights with my own eyes that were more neon green and bright purple than any mainstream photo.
- cryptoz 2y agoThere's a middle ground here. I saw the northern lights with my own eyes just days ago and it was mostly grey. I saw some color. But when I took a photo with a phone camera, the color absolutely popped. So it may be that you've seen more color than any photo, but the average viewer in Seattle this past weekend saw grey-er with their eyes and huge color in their phone photos. (Edit: it was still super-cool even if grey-ish, and there was absolutely beautiful colors in there if you could find your way out of the direct city lights)
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- goostavos 2y agoThe hubris of suggesting that your single experience of vaguely seeing the northern lights one time in Seattle has now led to a deep understanding of their true "color" and that the other person (perhaps all other people?) must be fooling themselves is... part of what makes HN so delightful to read. I've also seen the northern lights with my own eyes. Way up in the arctic circle in Sweden. Their color changes along with activity. Grey looking sometimes? Sure. But also colors that are so vivid that it feels like it envelopes your body.
- stavros 2y agoThey did say "the average viewer in Seattle this past weekend", not "all other viewers". Then again, the average viewer in Seattle this past weekend is hardly representative of what the northern lights look like.
- lpapez 2y ago> The hubris of suggesting that your single experience of vaguely seeing the northern lights one time in Seattle has now led to a deep understanding of their true "color" and that the other person (perhaps all other people?) must be fooling themselves is... part of what makes HN so delightful to read. The H in HN stands for Hubris.
- laserbeam 2y agoFor decades, game engines have been working on realistic rendering. Bumping quality here and there. The golden standard for rendering has always been cameras. It’s always photo-realistic rendering. Maybe this won’t be true for VR, but so far most effort is to be as good as video, not as good as the human eye. Any sort of video generation AI is likely to have the same goal. Be as good as top notch cameras, not as eyes.
- garyrob 2y agoEven in NY State, Hudson River Valley, I've seen them with real color. They're different each time.
- blhack 2y agoHave you ever seen the Northern Lights with your eyes? If so I'm curious where you saw them. I echo what some other posters here have said: they're certainly not gray.
- porphyra 2y agoHuman eyes are basically black and white in low light since rod cells can't detect color. But when the northern lights are bright enough you can definitely see the colors. The fact that some things are too dark to be seen by humans but can be captured accurately with cameras doesn't mean that the camera, or the AI, is "making things up" or whatever. Finally, nobody wants to see a video or a photo of a dark, gray, and barely visible aurora.
- exodust 2y ago> nobody wants to see a video or a photo of a dark, gray, and barely visible aurora Except those who want to see an accurate representation of what it looks like to the naked eye.
- stkhlm 2y agoLiving in northern Sweden I see the northern lights multiple times a year. I have never seen them pale or otherwise not colorful. Green and reds always. That is to my naked eye. Photographs do look more saturated, but the difference isn't as large as this comment thread make it out to be.
- shwaj 2y agoThat mirrors my experience from when I used to live in northern Canada
- jabits 2y agoEven in Upper Michigan near Lake Superior we sometimes had stunn, colorful Northern Lights. Sometimes it seemed like they were flying overhead within your grasp
- DaSHacka 2y agoMost definitely, it's quite common to find people hanging around outside up towards Calumet whenever there's a night with a high KP Index. I highly recommend checking them out if you're nearby, the recent auoras have been quite astonishing
- Kiro 2y agoShouldn't the model reflect how it looks on video rather than our naked eye?
- hoyd 2y agoI can see what you mean, and that the video is somewhat not what it would be like in real. I have lived in northern Norway most of my life, and watched Auroras a lot. It certainly look green and link for the most time. Fainter, it would perhaps sorry gray I guess? Red, when viewed from a more southern viewpoint.. I work at Andøya Space where perhaps most of the space research on Aurora had been done by sending scientific rockets into space for the last 60 yrs.
- simonjgreen 2y agoTo be fair, the prompt isn’t asking for a realistic interpretation it’s asking for a timelapse. What it’s generated is absolutely what most timelapses look like. > Prompt: Timelapse of the northern lights dancing across the Arctic sky, stars twinkling, snow-covered landscape
- darkstar_16 2y agoNorthern lights are actually pretty colourful, even to the naked eye. I've never seen them pale or b/w
- poulpy123 2y agothat's a bad example since the only images of aurora borealis are brightly colored. What I expect of an image generator is to output what is expected from it
- skypanther 2y agoWhat struck me about the northern lights video was that it showed the Milky Way crossing the sky behind the northern lights. That bright part of the Milky Way is visible in the southern sky but the aurora hugging the horizon like that indicates the viewer is looking north. (Swap directions for the southern hemisphere and the aurora borealis).
- sdenton4 2y agoThis strikes me as equally "AI complete" as drawing hands, which is now essentially a solved problem... No one test is sufficient, because you can add enough training data to address it.
- salamo 2y agoYeah "AI complete" is a bit tongue-in-cheek but it is a fairly spectacular failure mode of every model I've tried.
- smusamashah 2y agoIdeogram and dalle do hands pretty well
- swyx 2y agoive been using “agi-hard” https://latent.space/p/agi-hard https://latent.space/p/agi-hard as a term because completeness isnt really what we are going for
- dongping 2y agoNot sure about better models, but DALL-E3 still seems to be having problems with hands: https://www.reddit.com/r/dalle2/comments/1afhemf/is_it_possible_dalle_could_fix_the_fingers_hands/ https://www.reddit.com/r/dalle2/comments/1afhemf/is_it_possi... https://www.reddit.com/r/dalle2/comments/1cdks71/a_hand_with_only_five_fingers/ https://www.reddit.com/r/dalle2/comments/1cdks71/a_hand_with...
- Etherlord87 2y agoAs opposed to legs, eyes, construction elements? ;)
- sabellito 2y agoPer usual the top comment on anything AI related is snark on "it can't to [random specific thing] well yet".
- kmacdough 2y agoTiring, but so is the relentless over-marketing. Each new demo implies new use cases and flexible performance. But the reality is they're very brittle and blunder most seemingly simple tasks. I would personally love an ongoing breakdown of the key weaknesses. I often wonder "can it X?" The answer is almost always "almost, but not a useful almost".
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- mikeocool 2y agoHa, wow, I’d never seen this one before. The failures are pretty great. Even repeatedly trying to correct ChatGPT/Dall-e with the proper number of squares and pieces, it somehow makes it worse. This is what dall-e came up with after trying to correct many previous iterations: https://imgur.com/Ss4TwNC https://imgur.com/Ss4TwNC
- Etherlord87 2y agoAs someone who criticizes AI a lot: this actually looks pretty cool! AI is not better at surrealism than a good artist, but at least its work is enjoyable as a surreal art. Justifies the name Dall-e pretty well too.
- perbu 2y agoMost generative AI will struggle when given a task that requires something more less exact. They're probably pretty good at making something "chessish".
- Trixter 2y agoMine is generation of any actual IBM PC/XT computer. All of the training sets either didn't include actual IBM PCs in them, or they labeled all PC compatibles "IBM PC". Whatever the reason, no generative AI today, whether commercial or open-source, can generate any picture of an IBM PC 5150. Once that situation improves, I'll start taking notice.
- creatonez 2y ago> It seems to be an "AI complete" problem. Conventionally this term means the opposite -- problems that AI unlocks that conventional computing could not do. Conventional computing can render a very wide range of different stylized chess boards, but when an ML technique like diffusion is applied to this mundane problem, it falls apart.