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There’s a halo around Ilya Sutskever as the Albert Einstein of AI. Are there others on par with his— umm, how would you qualify it—- AI intuition or are we idol

by hbarka 2y ago

There’s a halo around Ilya Sutskever as the Albert Einstein of AI. Are there others on par with his— umm, how would you qualify it—- AI intuition or are we idolizing?

wddkcs 2y ago
Reifing, you can't help but not in English. Capabilities are given intention, intentions given classes, and godhood is a class...
layer8 2y ago
Personality cult.
- BryanLegend 2y ago
  He's certainly got the hair down!
- ignoramous 2y ago
  Elon Musk and Larry Page broke their friendship over Ilya's move from Google to OpenAI. There's more than just cult around a personality here, when two of the most powerful people in tech, who are also friends, go to war over you.
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  - reducesuffering 2y ago
    I don't believe it was that. I thought Elon most recently said it was Page calling Elon a "speciesist" when Elon cared that humans need to still exist, while Page is of the e/acc bit that AI's are our successors and the most competitive between them and us should go on.
    - ignoramous 2y ago
      You miss remember: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nORLckDnmg&t=75 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nORLckDnmg&t=75 mirror: https://ghostarchive.org/varchive/7nORLckDnmg https://ghostarchive.org/varchive/7nORLckDnmg (1m 15s)
      - reducesuffering 2y ago
        Ok, corrected. They got into a heated argument about what I was saying, but Elon says it's about recruiting Ilya.
    - nothrowaways 2y ago
      That is one side of the story.
kypro 2y ago
I think you're idolizing perhaps. There's no doubt Ilya is highly respected in the field, but not to the same extent as Albert Einstein is in physics. Maybe with time, but certainly not today.
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kadushka 2y ago
You have used an excellent term: AI intuition. This quality is extremely rare. Einstein probably had a similar kind of intuition in physics, and maybe that's why he was so successful. The ability to see what direction to pursue. Ilya has demonstrated it again and again, first with Alexnet (Hinton said Ilya was the person driving the project, believing in its success when no one else did, while Alex was the main implementer), then with OpenAI when he believed scaling up models is "all we need" to get to AGI, when very few people would agree with that. Today he believes the alignment is very important - perhaps we should listen to him.
- goatlover 2y ago
  There's no AGI yet. It's unclear that scaling up existing models gets anyone there. But if it was already here, alignment would be too late.
- dj_mc_merlin 2y ago
  Einstein famously disagreed with many facets of QM that we now believe to be true or at least closer to the truth than he was.
  - goatlover 2y ago
    Doesn't that depend on the interpretation of QM? There are still physicists who defend hidden variables and determinism. It should be noted Einstein was arguing with the founders of the Copenhagen interpretation, which has left many physicists dissatisfied. Sean Carol being a prominent current detractor (although is version of determinism is Many Worlds).
    - vitus 2y ago
      Einstein wasn't arguing just against the Copenhagen interpretation, he was arguing against the very notion of physical nondeterminism. In fact, his arguments against nonlocality were later disproven experimentally in the '80s, as quantum mechanics allowed for much higher fidelity predictions than could be explained by a hidden variable theory [0]. I don't think anyone _likes_ the Copenhagen interpretation per se, it's just the least objectionable choice (if you have to make one at all). Many-worlds sounds cool and all until you realize that it's essentially impossible to verify experimentally, and at that point you're discussing philosophy and what-if more than physics. Intuition only gets you as far as the accuracy of your mental model. Is it intuitive that the volume enclosed by the unit hypersphere approaches zero [1] as its dimensions go to infinity? Or that photons have momentum, but no mass? Or you can draw higher-dimension Venn diagrams with sectors that have negative area? If these all make intuitive sense to you, I'm jealous that your intuition extends further than mine. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_test https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_test [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volume_of_an_n-ball https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volume_of_an_n-ball
twobitshifter 2y ago
Yann LeCun is better known, right?
holonsphere 2y ago
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bpiche 2y ago
Schmidhüber
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by hbarka 2y ago

There’s a halo around Ilya Sutskever as the Albert Einstein of AI. Are there others on par with his— umm, how would you qualify it—- AI intuition or are we idolizing?

wddkcs 2y ago

Reifing, you can't help but not in English. Capabilities are given intention, intentions given classes, and godhood is a class...

layer8 2y ago

Personality cult.

BryanLegend 2y ago
He's certainly got the hair down!
ignoramous 2y ago
Elon Musk and Larry Page broke their friendship over Ilya's move from Google to OpenAI. There's more than just cult around a personality here, when two of the most powerful people in tech, who are also friends, go to war over you.
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- reducesuffering 2y ago
  I don't believe it was that. I thought Elon most recently said it was Page calling Elon a "speciesist" when Elon cared that humans need to still exist, while Page is of the e/acc bit that AI's are our successors and the most competitive between them and us should go on.
  - ignoramous 2y ago
    You miss remember: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nORLckDnmg&t=75 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nORLckDnmg&t=75 mirror: https://ghostarchive.org/varchive/7nORLckDnmg https://ghostarchive.org/varchive/7nORLckDnmg (1m 15s)
    - reducesuffering 2y ago
      Ok, corrected. They got into a heated argument about what I was saying, but Elon says it's about recruiting Ilya.
  - nothrowaways 2y ago
    That is one side of the story.

kypro 2y ago

I think you're idolizing perhaps. There's no doubt Ilya is highly respected in the field, but not to the same extent as Albert Einstein is in physics. Maybe with time, but certainly not today.

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kadushka 2y ago

You have used an excellent term: AI intuition. This quality is extremely rare. Einstein probably had a similar kind of intuition in physics, and maybe that's why he was so successful. The ability to see what direction to pursue. Ilya has demonstrated it again and again, first with Alexnet (Hinton said Ilya was the person driving the project, believing in its success when no one else did, while Alex was the main implementer), then with OpenAI when he believed scaling up models is "all we need" to get to AGI, when very few people would agree with that. Today he believes the alignment is very important - perhaps we should listen to him.

goatlover 2y ago
There's no AGI yet. It's unclear that scaling up existing models gets anyone there. But if it was already here, alignment would be too late.
dj_mc_merlin 2y ago
Einstein famously disagreed with many facets of QM that we now believe to be true or at least closer to the truth than he was.
- goatlover 2y ago
  Doesn't that depend on the interpretation of QM? There are still physicists who defend hidden variables and determinism. It should be noted Einstein was arguing with the founders of the Copenhagen interpretation, which has left many physicists dissatisfied. Sean Carol being a prominent current detractor (although is version of determinism is Many Worlds).
  - vitus 2y ago
    Einstein wasn't arguing just against the Copenhagen interpretation, he was arguing against the very notion of physical nondeterminism. In fact, his arguments against nonlocality were later disproven experimentally in the '80s, as quantum mechanics allowed for much higher fidelity predictions than could be explained by a hidden variable theory [0]. I don't think anyone _likes_ the Copenhagen interpretation per se, it's just the least objectionable choice (if you have to make one at all). Many-worlds sounds cool and all until you realize that it's essentially impossible to verify experimentally, and at that point you're discussing philosophy and what-if more than physics. Intuition only gets you as far as the accuracy of your mental model. Is it intuitive that the volume enclosed by the unit hypersphere approaches zero [1] as its dimensions go to infinity? Or that photons have momentum, but no mass? Or you can draw higher-dimension Venn diagrams with sectors that have negative area? If these all make intuitive sense to you, I'm jealous that your intuition extends further than mine. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_test https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_test [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volume_of_an_n-ball https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volume_of_an_n-ball

twobitshifter 2y ago

Yann LeCun is better known, right?

holonsphere 2y ago

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bpiche 2y ago

Schmidhüber

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