6 ms·
It would seem the real mystery is why did the breakers open. I have watched a youtube video where a knowledgeable chief engineer who works on comparable ships
by krisoft 2y ago
It would seem the real mystery is why did the breakers open.
I have watched a youtube video where a knowledgeable chief engineer who works on comparable ships was very dismissive of the idea that it might be a cyber attack.[1] He was mainly reasoning that the on-board equipment is air gapped from the internet. Which of course it makes an attack more complicated but it is not like the airgap saved the centrifuges in Natanz.
That being said it also does not say that it was a cyber attack. Could be any number of ordinary malfunctions. But i don’t see that the publicly available evidence would exclude the possibility of a cyber attack as of yet. It would be very different if they would have found a damaged shaft in the generator, or a clogged fuel filter. Something hardware-ish.
1: https://youtu.be/9B9znFDwdBI?si=aFSoqVsmrTaaQofY https://youtu.be/9B9znFDwdBI?si=aFSoqVsmrTaaQofY
- cirrus3 2y agoI don’t see that the publicly available evidence would exclude the possibility of aliens causing the breakers to open either.
- krisoft 2y agoWe don’t see any UFO on the videos and there are no reports about little grey ones on-board. Seems pretty much exluded by the evidence that they tripped the breakers in person if you ask me. Did they do it remotely or in a delayed manner? I think that leads back to my question.
- daghamm 2y agoYou are ignoring the existence of underwater UFOs (UUOs). Those are in fact the real UFOs and the Congress have been misleading the public for decades by having everyone chase some made up flying sausage in the sky, as if we are small children. Just the fact that they created the hoax around Area 51, in the middle of a dessert and far from any water should have told you all you need to know. And don't get me started on the 1961 fiasco in Bay of Pigs where CIA failed to capture the damaged UUO that had floated to land. But if we just for a minute step away from the obvious connection between JFK Jr, aliens and the Illuminati... have you ever considered that training LLMs on public forum comments is a bad idea?
- D-Coder 2y agoTHAT'S WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO THINK /s (I think)
- qingcharles 2y agoBut aren't they wearing human skins? Unless the NTSB checked for zippers on the crew, we'll never know who is compromised.
- toast0 2y agoProbably time travelers. Most likely to prevent transport of a specific item or person over the bridge at a future date. Perhaps a shadowy group striving to put wrong what once went right.
- magicalhippo 2y agoOr just thrill seekers[1]. [1]: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0204686/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0204686/
- eru 2y ago1999 was truly the peak of film making.
- AndrewKemendo 2y agoOffice Space, The Matrix, Fight Club Arguably all the same movie
- eru 2y agoWell, the Matrix was about taking red estrogen pills to transition your body to your preferred gender. I'm not sure what the other two were about.
- worstspotgain 2y agoWe can't exclude midi-chlorians either, 5/4 was coming up.
- kornhole 2y agoDEW's (Directed Energy Weapons) are capable of surging power and more likely. https://climateviewer.com/2018/07/05/directed-energy-weapons-101-sonic-microwave-laser-non-lethal-warfare/ https://climateviewer.com/2018/07/05/directed-energy-weapons...
- kornhole 2y agoBreakers are usually tripped when too much power is used. Because the ship was traveling slowly in the harbor using lower power, we need to understand other reasons why a breaker would open.
- toomuchtodo 2y agoFailing breakers commonly trip below current limits. Hopefully they will comprehensively test the circuit path and its components in scope. Someone will have to explain why they weren’t replaced prior to failure if root cause.
- raverbashing 2y agoTrue. But to have both fail at the same time usually means an actual overcurrent for some reason Hopefully they get an actual current measure somehow
- caf 2y agoIt would not be unusual for the protection design to have the LV and HV breakers on either side of the transformer linked, so that if one trips the other does too. So you can't necessarily read anything in to the fact that both tripped.
- londons_explore 2y agoWhy link them? Any failure opening one or other breaker is sufficient to stop fault current. The only reason to even have both breakers is so the transformer can be taken out for maintenance.
- caf 2y agoThe idea is to fully disconnect the faulted element from the power system. In particular with transformers, you don't want it backfed from the low voltage side if the high voltage side is isolated.
- jameshart 2y ago‘Airgapped from the internet’ is very much the default state of technology on a ship. Connecting things to the internet seems like something that would require additional steps.
- eru 2y agoAt the moment perhaps, yes. I will predict that will change as satellite internet becomes ubiquitous.
- gumby 2y agoThis should not have been downvoted. I work with the shipping industry and one of our partners just bought a satellite network. All commercial ships these days have WiFi and satellite uplink is becoming ubiquitous. The tech we are building depends on low speed, low volume bidirectional data streaming and we haven’t yet found a ship in 2024 that doesn’t have much more bandwidth than we need
- consumer451 2y agoHere is a video from Chief Makoi on this very topic. He is a highly respected working Chief Marine Engineer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9B9znFDwdBI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9B9znFDwdBI [10:36]
- Eduard 2y agoever heard of AIS, e. g. https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/ https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/ ?
- jameshart 2y agoThat's a VHF transmission emitted from a boat containing a data packet about its position and speed. Quite a long way from an internet connection. But of course I was being flippant - modern commercial ships likely have satellite internet access, onboard networks, and probably at least some equipment on board that accepts over-the-air updates of some kind.
- bagels 2y agoThe fact that they had two explained power failures in port, and they made some changes to the configuration point to more likely causes: they made some faulty reconfiguration or the previously dormant breakers were faulty.
- trebligdivad 2y agoThe report has at least one of the power outages in port is explained (and says it was the only one). They did change config after it though; but still.
- bagels 2y agoIt does give an explanation, but that doesn't mean that they didn't play with other things to diagnose or guess at fixes.
- whimsicalism 2y ago[flagged]
- krisoft 2y agoSaying “we do not know if it was a cyberatack or not” is not the same thing as saying “i think it was a cyberatack”.
- whimsicalism 2y agoi feel that i do know it wasn’t a cyberattack, which is why i am confident taking such odds.
- krisoft 2y agoOk. Well. I do not know if it was a cyberattack so I don't take the bet. Furthermore I don't know even if it was a cyber attack if it will ever be established to anybody. And even further I don't know even if it was a cyber attack and if it is proven to somebody that this information will be released publicly.
- worstspotgain 2y agoAs is often the case these days, the probability that it was an attack is much higher than the conditional probability that it would ever be publicly proven to be if so. The target wouldn't want it disclosed any more than the attacker. 100:1 and you will find takers, though.
- whimsicalism 2y ago100:1 and i’d be better off just investing my cash
- throwup238 2y ago> The target wouldn't want it disclosed any more than the attacker. If it's a cyberattack, the insurance companies involved will absolutely blow the lid open publicly. They're the ones who are going to pay here and they're the ones who have to insure ships in harbors going forward. This wouldn't be some hack like Equifax with hard to demonstrate harm. The insurance companies are going to be on the hook for hundreds of millions, if not billions, of dollars so they're going to want to prevent anything like this in the future. They're explicitly on the hook for some extreme damages if this happens in the Suez or Panama canal especially.
- caf 2y agoI think a cyber attack seems unlikely, if only because going from tripping those breakers to the bridge collapsing is a hell of a rube goldberg machine. (And if that was only an accident, and their only goal was "make the lights flicker", then that seems a bit of a pointless cyber attack).
- kornhole 2y agoThey are not telling us everything. NIST has concocted things in the past. The whole ship crew is still held on the ship with all their communication devices confiscated. When/if investigative journalists get access to them, we will learn more. https://www.cbsnews.com/baltimore/video/dali-crew-endures-stress-amid-preparations-for-controlled-demolition-of-key-bridge-span/ https://www.cbsnews.com/baltimore/video/dali-crew-endures-st...
- tadfisher 2y agoGood thing the NTSB wrote this report, then. Definitely can't trust those NIST folks, they're plainly nefarious.
- kornhole 2y agoBelieve everything the government tells you. Do not question.
- fbdab103 2y agoWait - they are still stuck on the ship after all this time? Is this a company/government rule? Some kind of maritime law? Not like I expect any of them to keep their jobs after this, even if they acted impeccably during the failure.
- caf 2y agoIt seems to be pretty common in the maritime industry. There were crews stuck on ships for months during the pandemic.
- 2y ago