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It’s tiring. Same thing happened to the GPT-4o announcement yesterday. Apparently because there’s no unquestionable AGI 14 months after GPT-4 then everything su

It’s tiring. Same thing happened to the GPT-4o announcement yesterday. Apparently because there’s no unquestionable AGI 14 months after GPT-4 then everything sucks. I always found HN contrarian but as I say it’s really tiring. I’ve no idea what the negative commenters are working on on a daily basis to be so dismissive of everybody else’s work, including work that leaves 90% of the population in a combination of awe and fear. Also people sometimes forget that behind big corp names there are actual people. People who might be reading this thread.

motoxpro 2y ago
Yeah it's pretty unfortunate. Saying something sucks is such a lack of understanding that things are not static. I guess it's a sure way to be right, because there will always be progress and you can look back and say "See I told you!"
- IggleSniggle 2y ago
  Psh. Things are not static. Progress sucks now. Haven't you heard of enshitification? You can always look back and say, "see? I told you it would suck in the future!" ...why am I feeling to urge to point out that I am only making a joke here and not trying to make an actual counter point, even if one can be made...?
  - piloto_ciego 2y ago
    I commented on this elsewhere, but being a negative Nancy is really a winning strategy. If you’re negative and you get it wrong, nobody cares, get it and right you look like a damn genius. Conversely, if you’re positive and get it wrong, you look like an idiot and if you’re right you’re praised for a good call once. The rational “game theory” choice is to predict calamity.
    - motoxpro 2y ago
      Yeah it’s funny that optimism in the long term is optimal and pessimism in the short term is optimal.
      - piloto_ciego 2y ago
        Right, but I think people sometimes get the “what constitutes long term” factor a little bit wrong. I am still talking to a lot of people who say, “what can any of this AI stuff even do?” It’s like, robots you could hold a conversation with effectively didn’t exist 3 years ago and you’re already upset that it’s not a money tree? I think that peoples expectation horizon narrowing down may be the clearest evidence that we’re in the singularity.
mupuff1234 2y ago
What's also tiring is that no one is allowed to have any critical thoughts because "it's tiring". From my own perspective the critique is usually a counter balance to extreme hype, so maybe let's just agree it's ok to have both types of comments, you know "checks and balances".
- piloto_ciego 2y ago
  Being cynical is not a counterbalance though, it’s just as low effort as the hype people.
Workaccount2 2y ago
AI is a pretty direct threat to software engineering. It's no surprise people are hostile towards it. Come 2030, how do you justify a paying someone $175k/yr when a $20/mo app is 95% as good, and the other 5% can be done by someone making $40k/yr?
- astrange 2y ago
  Productivity improvements are good for workers; you should ask yourself why the invention of the compiler didn't cause this to happen already. Or why the existence of the UK hasn't, since they have a lot of English speaking programmers paid in peanuts.

motoxpro 2y ago

Yeah it's pretty unfortunate. Saying something sucks is such a lack of understanding that things are not static. I guess it's a sure way to be right, because there will always be progress and you can look back and say "See I told you!"

IggleSniggle 2y ago
Psh. Things are not static. Progress sucks now. Haven't you heard of enshitification? You can always look back and say, "see? I told you it would suck in the future!" ...why am I feeling to urge to point out that I am only making a joke here and not trying to make an actual counter point, even if one can be made...?
- piloto_ciego 2y ago
  I commented on this elsewhere, but being a negative Nancy is really a winning strategy. If you’re negative and you get it wrong, nobody cares, get it and right you look like a damn genius. Conversely, if you’re positive and get it wrong, you look like an idiot and if you’re right you’re praised for a good call once. The rational “game theory” choice is to predict calamity.
  - motoxpro 2y ago
    Yeah it’s funny that optimism in the long term is optimal and pessimism in the short term is optimal.
    - piloto_ciego 2y ago
      Right, but I think people sometimes get the “what constitutes long term” factor a little bit wrong. I am still talking to a lot of people who say, “what can any of this AI stuff even do?” It’s like, robots you could hold a conversation with effectively didn’t exist 3 years ago and you’re already upset that it’s not a money tree? I think that peoples expectation horizon narrowing down may be the clearest evidence that we’re in the singularity.

mupuff1234 2y ago

What's also tiring is that no one is allowed to have any critical thoughts because "it's tiring". From my own perspective the critique is usually a counter balance to extreme hype, so maybe let's just agree it's ok to have both types of comments, you know "checks and balances".

piloto_ciego 2y ago
Being cynical is not a counterbalance though, it’s just as low effort as the hype people.

Workaccount2 2y ago

AI is a pretty direct threat to software engineering. It's no surprise people are hostile towards it. Come 2030, how do you justify a paying someone $175k/yr when a $20/mo app is 95% as good, and the other 5% can be done by someone making $40k/yr?

astrange 2y ago
Productivity improvements are good for workers; you should ask yourself why the invention of the compiler didn't cause this to happen already. Or why the existence of the UK hasn't, since they have a lot of English speaking programmers paid in peanuts.