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In Dubai right now, one of the things I really like about this place is the optimism they have for the future. It's exhausting working in tech and being in plac

In Dubai right now, one of the things I really like about this place is the optimism they have for the future. It's exhausting working in tech and being in places that don't believe engineering will usher in a better future (but somehow think legal policy will). I'm visiting the museum of the future tomorrow, can't wait.

croes 2y ago
Sounds really like the future https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Dubai https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Dubai
- sackfield 2y ago
  Having optimism about the future means it will change for the better. You are referring to the present. Weird how many people find this concept uncomfortable, and perhaps is a good example of my original argument.
  - kjkjadksj 2y ago
    There's foolish optimism too. E.g. what is stopping the dubai government from ending laws like death penalty for homosexuals and atheists, or being put on trial for violating ramedan as a nonmuslim? Nothing, except for their cruel leadership who is interested in harming groups they don't agree with in this manner. Why would you expect to change if it hasn't already? What evidence does the leadership need to wake up from their bigotry and hatred? Has logic and empathy ever shifted a bigots opinions before? I think not. You can argue well "the next generation will be better" but at the same time this current generation of leadership is the generation that should have known better, yet here we are.
    - mdbmdb 2y ago
      Nothing stops them but it doesn't happen overnight. These laws have been in place for a long long time. Women weren't allowed to drive in Dubai until 2018 but it changed. Changes will come but not in a blink of an eye
    - sackfield 2y ago
      Every culture at some stage has its dark ages, western countries did exactly the same thing not more than 200 years ago. They changed, all things change. Your argument regarding the high water mark of cultural morality could be used by Europeans about Americans currently (and frequently is). It doesn't make America a bad country in my eyes though, still find it amazing. I'm not going to judge each place by its lowest points but the gradient its on. Given that I doubt you are following the high water of cultural morality as it shifts around the world, sounds to me like bigotry might be fueling you here.
  - croes 2y ago
    Change for whom? Is that optimism shared by the foreign workers?
nojvek 2y ago
Not sure why you're downvoted. Been to Dubai multiple times. They're investing heavy in tech and infrastructure. Americans have their own version of what is right but that doesn't mean it's right for everyone. Competition is a wonderful thing. Same as China, the first tier cities actually feel like the future. It's not perfect, but different in it's own way.

croes 2y ago

Sounds really like the future https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Dubai https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Dubai

sackfield 2y ago
Having optimism about the future means it will change for the better. You are referring to the present. Weird how many people find this concept uncomfortable, and perhaps is a good example of my original argument.
- kjkjadksj 2y ago
  There's foolish optimism too. E.g. what is stopping the dubai government from ending laws like death penalty for homosexuals and atheists, or being put on trial for violating ramedan as a nonmuslim? Nothing, except for their cruel leadership who is interested in harming groups they don't agree with in this manner. Why would you expect to change if it hasn't already? What evidence does the leadership need to wake up from their bigotry and hatred? Has logic and empathy ever shifted a bigots opinions before? I think not. You can argue well "the next generation will be better" but at the same time this current generation of leadership is the generation that should have known better, yet here we are.
  - mdbmdb 2y ago
    Nothing stops them but it doesn't happen overnight. These laws have been in place for a long long time. Women weren't allowed to drive in Dubai until 2018 but it changed. Changes will come but not in a blink of an eye
  - sackfield 2y ago
    Every culture at some stage has its dark ages, western countries did exactly the same thing not more than 200 years ago. They changed, all things change. Your argument regarding the high water mark of cultural morality could be used by Europeans about Americans currently (and frequently is). It doesn't make America a bad country in my eyes though, still find it amazing. I'm not going to judge each place by its lowest points but the gradient its on. Given that I doubt you are following the high water of cultural morality as it shifts around the world, sounds to me like bigotry might be fueling you here.
- croes 2y ago
  Change for whom? Is that optimism shared by the foreign workers?

nojvek 2y ago

Not sure why you're downvoted. Been to Dubai multiple times. They're investing heavy in tech and infrastructure. Americans have their own version of what is right but that doesn't mean it's right for everyone. Competition is a wonderful thing. Same as China, the first tier cities actually feel like the future. It's not perfect, but different in it's own way.