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> Although I imagine we'll just start seeing a lot of silencers I wouldn't bet on this. Suppressors are highly controlled Federally, and completely illegal to

by Cushman 14y ago

> Although I imagine we'll just start seeing a lot of silencers I wouldn't bet on this. Suppressors are highly controlled Federally, and completely illegal to own in Illinois (and Iowa and Michigan and a number of other states as well). You may think that doesn't matter to criminals, but most illegal firearms are purchased legally at some point-- not gonna happen for suppressors. And they aren't mix-and-match; you need a threaded barrel for your gun specifically. (There's a nice little scene in Goodfellas about this problem.) But let's say you get ahold of one. You've got a line with a crooked Class 3 dealer in Indiana (this is someone who is also allowed to sell machine guns and grenade launchers) and he decides he's gonna risk his life by selling to a gang banger. Fair enough. So you get home, you load up your 9mm, screw on your shiny new suppressor, and go outside to take a potshot at some asshole you got beef with. Two minutes later, a couple of squad cars show up, lights flashing. What happened? Well, you got your suppressor, but you're still using your same old bog-standard black-market ammunition. The can turns the hearing-damaging bang of your gun into a merely very loud bang, but it does nothing about the supersonic crack your bullet makes. You were quieter, but far from quiet; a ShotSpotter that was close enough easily picked you out. If your dealer was looking out for you, he would have mentioned this, and recommended you switch to a subsonic ammunition. If he was really looking out for you, he'd also mention that this ammunition has significantly reduced range and stopping power, and probably does not have enough operating pressure to reliably cycle your automatic-- meaning you need to cock your gun every other shot like Jack Bauer. Sounds pretty much ideal for your inner-city gang fight, right? And lest we forget, when the fuzz finally catches up to you, whether with the ShotSpotter or with good-old-fashioned police work, you are not going to get slapped with possession and sent upstate. As soon as that suppressor gets entered into evidence, with its nicely filed-down serial number, they're going to make a phone call, and the ATF is going to come to town with some serious Federal prosecution heat. They will hang you up by your toes until you tell them who sold the thing to you, and then they will find that person and make them severely wish that they had not. So... yeah. Don't bet on it.

njharman 14y ago
Suppresors are not hard to make. Due to selection pressures (jail/death) criminals in the aggregate are crafty. They will figure it out.
- roel_v 14y ago
  Have you ever made or used one? For the record, neither have I, but in the rural environment I grew up in, it was common 50 years ago to make them for poaching purposes, so I heard a lot of stories and spoke to many people who have made or used home-made ones. For one, while it's not 'hard' in the same sense that writing an OS isn't 'hard' (after all, it's a widely studied design, many have been made/written, there is much information available, so how hard can it be to write an OS, really?), it still requires tools that aren't that commonly available (a lathe, for example - how many people do you know that have one and would be willing to make a class 3 device with it?). But also, the home made ones aren't that good. Yes, you can make a silencer for a .22LR good enough to not be heard several miles away when you're hunting at night. But those purposes are very different from silencing a caliber powerful enough to be used against humans; meaning at the least a .38 but preferably 9mm. Furthermore it's not so easy to affix silencers to hand guns and still have the gun be concealable, you have problems with semi-auto weapons to get the next bullet into the chamber, etc etc. So, all in all, having to use silencers, even if they would work 100%, would still cause a significant barrier for perpetrating gun crimes.
  - Spooky23 14y ago
    One of the primary business activities of street gangs are selling drugs smuggled in from Latin America. Do you really think that it's a stretch for them to import illegal gun accessories?
    - yardie 14y ago
      I think you severely overestimate the resources of most criminals. The majority are not the criminal masterminds you make them out to be. If they were that smart they would be doing something else. And most of the market for weapons flow South; drugs flow north.
      - anamax 14y ago
        > And most of the market for weapons flow South; drugs flow north. Oh really? "Weapons from the north" are semi-autos. They have autos. (No, they're not convertible.) They get them from their military (which is supplied by the US) and similar sources. A source that says "x% of traced" doesn't tell you how they decided to trace. (Hint - they have an agenda.)

by Cushman 14y ago

njharman 14y ago

Suppresors are not hard to make. Due to selection pressures (jail/death) criminals in the aggregate are crafty. They will figure it out.

roel_v 14y ago
Have you ever made or used one? For the record, neither have I, but in the rural environment I grew up in, it was common 50 years ago to make them for poaching purposes, so I heard a lot of stories and spoke to many people who have made or used home-made ones. For one, while it's not 'hard' in the same sense that writing an OS isn't 'hard' (after all, it's a widely studied design, many have been made/written, there is much information available, so how hard can it be to write an OS, really?), it still requires tools that aren't that commonly available (a lathe, for example - how many people do you know that have one and would be willing to make a class 3 device with it?). But also, the home made ones aren't that good. Yes, you can make a silencer for a .22LR good enough to not be heard several miles away when you're hunting at night. But those purposes are very different from silencing a caliber powerful enough to be used against humans; meaning at the least a .38 but preferably 9mm. Furthermore it's not so easy to affix silencers to hand guns and still have the gun be concealable, you have problems with semi-auto weapons to get the next bullet into the chamber, etc etc. So, all in all, having to use silencers, even if they would work 100%, would still cause a significant barrier for perpetrating gun crimes.
- Spooky23 14y ago
  One of the primary business activities of street gangs are selling drugs smuggled in from Latin America. Do you really think that it's a stretch for them to import illegal gun accessories?
  - yardie 14y ago
    I think you severely overestimate the resources of most criminals. The majority are not the criminal masterminds you make them out to be. If they were that smart they would be doing something else. And most of the market for weapons flow South; drugs flow north.
    - anamax 14y ago
      > And most of the market for weapons flow South; drugs flow north. Oh really? "Weapons from the north" are semi-autos. They have autos. (No, they're not convertible.) They get them from their military (which is supplied by the US) and similar sources. A source that says "x% of traced" doesn't tell you how they decided to trace. (Hint - they have an agenda.)