That's the analogy I use in training. In civil engineering you have mostly predictable task durations that have mostly been done many times. You can even predic

That's the analogy I use in training. In civil engineering you have mostly predictable task durations that have mostly been done many times. You can even predict the variations for different soil conditions, etc. If you are making the same software repeatedly, something is wrong. Agile, much because of Scrum jargon, has become annoying to a lot of people. Taking them back to the fundamentals - "oh that's why we don't do MS Project network diagrams" - helps.