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Kind of sucks to be google. Even they're making good progress here, and have laid the foundations of a lot if not most things.. their products are, well there a

Kind of sucks to be google. Even they're making good progress here, and have laid the foundations of a lot if not most things.. their products are, well there aren't any noteworthy compared to rest. And considering google is sitting on top of one of the largest if not THE largest video database, along with maps, traffic, search, internet.zip, usenet, vast computing resources vertically integrated.. they have the whole advantage in the world. So, the hell are they doing? Why isn't their CEO already out? Expectations from them are higher than from anyone else.

InfiniteVortex 2y ago
Google search has been absolutely ruined in terms of quality. You're right, they've built the base in terms of R&D for many of the AI breakthroughs thats powering competing alternative products.... that happen to be better than Google's own products. Google went from "Don't be evil" to just another big corporate tech company. They have so much potential. Regrettable.
- CraftingLinks 2y ago
  They are fast on their way becoming IBM 2.0.
  - jason-phillips 2y ago
    More like Xerox
- dyauspitr 2y ago
  If anything google search with the Gemini area on the top has been very good for me.
atleastoptimal 2y ago
Because they punish experimentation as it eats into their bottom line. AI is a tool for ads in the mind of executives at Google. Ads and monetization of human productivity, not an agent of productivity on its own.
- khazhoux 2y ago
  C'mon, Google doesn't "punish" experimentation. Google X, Google Glass, Daydream, Fuschia, moonshots, the lab spinoff (whose name I can't remember)... hell, even all the abandoned products everyone here always complains about. The experiments often/usually fail, but they do experiment.
  - Koffiepoeder 2y ago
    If you prune all the branches, where will the fruits grow?
    - khazhoux 2y ago
      The branches were dead and could bear no fruit. New branches will sprout next season.
      - saalweachter 2y ago
        For grapes, the conventional wisdom is to prune all the old branches at the end of each season.
- lolinder 2y ago
  "Laser-focused on the bottom line at the expense of all else" is not how I'd describe Google, now or at any point in the past. They have a lot of dysfunction, but if anything that dysfunction stems from too much experimentation and autonomy at the leaf nodes of the organization. That's how they get into these crazy places where they have to pick between 5 chat apps or whatever. If Google were as focused on ads as you seem to think we'd at least see some sort of coherent org-wide strategy instead of a complete lack of direction.
  - criddell 2y ago
    I'd describe Google as focused on the bottom line after they put the ads guy in charge of search. I'm referring to this article that was posted here recently: https://www.wheresyoured.at/the-men-who-killed-google/ https://www.wheresyoured.at/the-men-who-killed-google/
Workaccount2 2y ago
I don't know how more people don't talk about the 1M context tokens. While the output is mediocre for cutting edge models, you can context stuff the ever living hell out of it for some pretty amazing capabilities. 2M tokens is even crazier.
- lordswork 2y ago
  It is pretty amazing. I've been using it every day. I do wish you could easily upload an entire repo into it though.
  - bongodongobob 2y ago
    Have it write a program to output a repo as a flat file.
- rm_-rf_slash 2y ago
  Anything approaching the token limit I turn into a file and upload to a vector store. Results are comparable between Chat and Assistants.
- Keyframe 2y ago
  That's a good point. Gemini gatekeeping me on so many answers made me forget about this extraordinary feature of it.
softwaredoug 2y ago
It's often said you need to disrupt your own business model. Google had blinders on. They didn't relentlessly focus on reinventing their domain. They just milked what they had. Gradually losing site of the user experience[1] to focus on monetization above all else. 1 - https://twitter.com/pdrmnvd/status/1707395736458207430 https://twitter.com/pdrmnvd/status/1707395736458207430
dyauspitr 2y ago
Their CEO is generating massive, growing profits every quarter while releasing generative technology, all the while threading a fine line in what those models generate because it can be pretty devastating for a large corp like Google.
- Keyframe 2y ago
  you think it's because of him or despite him?

InfiniteVortex 2y ago

Google search has been absolutely ruined in terms of quality. You're right, they've built the base in terms of R&D for many of the AI breakthroughs thats powering competing alternative products.... that happen to be better than Google's own products. Google went from "Don't be evil" to just another big corporate tech company. They have so much potential. Regrettable.

CraftingLinks 2y ago
They are fast on their way becoming IBM 2.0.
- jason-phillips 2y ago
  More like Xerox
dyauspitr 2y ago
If anything google search with the Gemini area on the top has been very good for me.

atleastoptimal 2y ago

Because they punish experimentation as it eats into their bottom line. AI is a tool for ads in the mind of executives at Google. Ads and monetization of human productivity, not an agent of productivity on its own.

khazhoux 2y ago
C'mon, Google doesn't "punish" experimentation. Google X, Google Glass, Daydream, Fuschia, moonshots, the lab spinoff (whose name I can't remember)... hell, even all the abandoned products everyone here always complains about. The experiments often/usually fail, but they do experiment.
- Koffiepoeder 2y ago
  If you prune all the branches, where will the fruits grow?
  - khazhoux 2y ago
    The branches were dead and could bear no fruit. New branches will sprout next season.
    - saalweachter 2y ago
      For grapes, the conventional wisdom is to prune all the old branches at the end of each season.
lolinder 2y ago
"Laser-focused on the bottom line at the expense of all else" is not how I'd describe Google, now or at any point in the past. They have a lot of dysfunction, but if anything that dysfunction stems from too much experimentation and autonomy at the leaf nodes of the organization. That's how they get into these crazy places where they have to pick between 5 chat apps or whatever. If Google were as focused on ads as you seem to think we'd at least see some sort of coherent org-wide strategy instead of a complete lack of direction.
- criddell 2y ago
  I'd describe Google as focused on the bottom line after they put the ads guy in charge of search. I'm referring to this article that was posted here recently: https://www.wheresyoured.at/the-men-who-killed-google/ https://www.wheresyoured.at/the-men-who-killed-google/

Workaccount2 2y ago

I don't know how more people don't talk about the 1M context tokens. While the output is mediocre for cutting edge models, you can context stuff the ever living hell out of it for some pretty amazing capabilities. 2M tokens is even crazier.

lordswork 2y ago
It is pretty amazing. I've been using it every day. I do wish you could easily upload an entire repo into it though.
- bongodongobob 2y ago
  Have it write a program to output a repo as a flat file.
rm_-rf_slash 2y ago
Anything approaching the token limit I turn into a file and upload to a vector store. Results are comparable between Chat and Assistants.
Keyframe 2y ago
That's a good point. Gemini gatekeeping me on so many answers made me forget about this extraordinary feature of it.

softwaredoug 2y ago

It's often said you need to disrupt your own business model. Google had blinders on. They didn't relentlessly focus on reinventing their domain. They just milked what they had. Gradually losing site of the user experience[1] to focus on monetization above all else. 1 - https://twitter.com/pdrmnvd/status/1707395736458207430 https://twitter.com/pdrmnvd/status/1707395736458207430

dyauspitr 2y ago

Their CEO is generating massive, growing profits every quarter while releasing generative technology, all the while threading a fine line in what those models generate because it can be pretty devastating for a large corp like Google.

Keyframe 2y ago
you think it's because of him or despite him?