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I'm just talking about demographics here. The youth support Palestine and stand against genocide. The largest student protests since Vietnam are happening RIGHT

by culi 2y ago

I'm just talking about demographics here. The youth support Palestine and stand against genocide. The largest student protests since Vietnam are happening RIGHT NOW. All I'm saying is you would think a company who's branding is so strongly linked to that younger demographic would care more

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> youth support Palestine Sweetgreen's customers are middle- and high-income white-collar workers. I'm not seeing the overlap with the protesters outside age. > largest student protests since Vietnam are happening RIGHT NOW To be clear, you're comparing a protest movement across thousands of campuses and millions of students to one spanning tens and thousands, respectively. (South Africa might be a better example.)
- culi 2y ago
  > To be clear, you're comparing a protest movement across thousands of campuses and millions of students to one spanning tens and thousands, respectively. No we're talking thousands of campuses. Here's a map if you'd like: https://www.palestineiseverywhere.com/ https://www.palestineiseverywhere.com/ Duke is walking out. UCLA got attacked by counter protestors. UT Austin's in the news for police brutality against students. There are active encampments in Stanford, ALL of the UCs, Cal Poly, all of the ivy league schools. As of May 11 there was an estimated 2,900 arrests across 57 campuses. Go to your nearest university and you're sure pressed to at least find stickers or artwork if not an active encampment. Sorry to say, but you're out of touch
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > we're talking thousands of campuses Where are you seeing thousands? It's hundreds globally per your source. The Vietnam War protests were thousands in the country, and that's not by counting stickers but mass protests and campus-wide shutdowns. > As of May 11 there was an estimated 2,900 arrests across 57 campuses Yes, thousands and tens. That's a big deal. But it's not on the scale of the Vietnam War protests. Which makes sense--we're not drafting our kids to go die in Gaza! (And the economy is doing well.) In any case, the argument that this is relevant to Sweetgreen's business requires a little more to stand on. Certainly their Q1 results seem to dispute the hypothesis; the problem isn't growth, it's costs.
    - culi 2y ago
      Only around 2 thousand students were arrested for the Vietnam protests in 1970. It's important to remember that student protests are always unpopular. Only about 11% of Americans thought the Guard was too rough on student protestors at Kent state when police shot at crowds and killed 4 students. 58% of Americans thought the National Guard should've been more rough https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-palm-beach-post-campus-unrest-linked/13598112/ https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-palm-beach-post-campu...
      - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > Only around 2 thousand students were arrested for the Vietnam protests in 1970 12,000 were arrested over a matter of days in 1971 [1]. Again, these protests don't need to be comparable in size to Vietnam's to be legitimate. Focussing on that narrative is a dead end. When it comes to Sweetgreen's business, I've gone from thinking the CEO should stay out of politics to suspecting he may be resonating better with Sweetgreen's actual customers than I initially gave him credit for. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_May_Day_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_May_Day_protests
dandellion 2y ago
Do a lot of students buy $20 salads in the US? Most of the people I know going to this sort of places are white collar 30+ who are vegan or into the fitness & dietary supplements trend. The rest just go to normal places (which means Mediterranean food here in Spain).
lelanthran 2y ago
> I'm just talking about demographics here. The youth support Palestine and stand against genocide. Meh. The youth of every generation (my own included) supports/supported lots of things with little to no understanding of the things they support/supported.[1] The only real conclusion you can draw from the youth is that they self-organise into activist groups. The actual cause is often not relevant - they just want to be in-group, not out-group, and to be in-group you have to visibly agree with the group's stance. Displaying a lack of thought and nuance is a condition of group membership. A lack of thought and nuance, non-coincidentally, is also a large characteristic of youth. > All I'm saying is you would think a company who's branding is so strongly linked to that younger demographic would care more I'm not familiar with the company in question, and don't know (nor care) what their publicised political leanings are. I was only commenting on your linking of "liberal" with a far-right demographic. [1] As in this case, where the "progressive" group is championing the rights of the conservative group. In their minds, they have not yet seen the dissonance between what they say they are (liberal, progressive, left) and who they are championing for (conservative, regressive, right).

by culi 2y ago

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> youth support Palestine Sweetgreen's customers are middle- and high-income white-collar workers. I'm not seeing the overlap with the protesters outside age. > largest student protests since Vietnam are happening RIGHT NOW To be clear, you're comparing a protest movement across thousands of campuses and millions of students to one spanning tens and thousands, respectively. (South Africa might be a better example.)

culi 2y ago
> To be clear, you're comparing a protest movement across thousands of campuses and millions of students to one spanning tens and thousands, respectively. No we're talking thousands of campuses. Here's a map if you'd like: https://www.palestineiseverywhere.com/ https://www.palestineiseverywhere.com/ Duke is walking out. UCLA got attacked by counter protestors. UT Austin's in the news for police brutality against students. There are active encampments in Stanford, ALL of the UCs, Cal Poly, all of the ivy league schools. As of May 11 there was an estimated 2,900 arrests across 57 campuses. Go to your nearest university and you're sure pressed to at least find stickers or artwork if not an active encampment. Sorry to say, but you're out of touch
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > we're talking thousands of campuses Where are you seeing thousands? It's hundreds globally per your source. The Vietnam War protests were thousands in the country, and that's not by counting stickers but mass protests and campus-wide shutdowns. > As of May 11 there was an estimated 2,900 arrests across 57 campuses Yes, thousands and tens. That's a big deal. But it's not on the scale of the Vietnam War protests. Which makes sense--we're not drafting our kids to go die in Gaza! (And the economy is doing well.) In any case, the argument that this is relevant to Sweetgreen's business requires a little more to stand on. Certainly their Q1 results seem to dispute the hypothesis; the problem isn't growth, it's costs.
  - culi 2y ago
    Only around 2 thousand students were arrested for the Vietnam protests in 1970. It's important to remember that student protests are always unpopular. Only about 11% of Americans thought the Guard was too rough on student protestors at Kent state when police shot at crowds and killed 4 students. 58% of Americans thought the National Guard should've been more rough https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-palm-beach-post-campus-unrest-linked/13598112/ https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-palm-beach-post-campu...
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      > Only around 2 thousand students were arrested for the Vietnam protests in 1970 12,000 were arrested over a matter of days in 1971 [1]. Again, these protests don't need to be comparable in size to Vietnam's to be legitimate. Focussing on that narrative is a dead end. When it comes to Sweetgreen's business, I've gone from thinking the CEO should stay out of politics to suspecting he may be resonating better with Sweetgreen's actual customers than I initially gave him credit for. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_May_Day_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_May_Day_protests

dandellion 2y ago

Do a lot of students buy $20 salads in the US? Most of the people I know going to this sort of places are white collar 30+ who are vegan or into the fitness & dietary supplements trend. The rest just go to normal places (which means Mediterranean food here in Spain).

lelanthran 2y ago

> I'm just talking about demographics here. The youth support Palestine and stand against genocide. Meh. The youth of every generation (my own included) supports/supported lots of things with little to no understanding of the things they support/supported.[1] The only real conclusion you can draw from the youth is that they self-organise into activist groups. The actual cause is often not relevant - they just want to be in-group, not out-group, and to be in-group you have to visibly agree with the group's stance. Displaying a lack of thought and nuance is a condition of group membership. A lack of thought and nuance, non-coincidentally, is also a large characteristic of youth. > All I'm saying is you would think a company who's branding is so strongly linked to that younger demographic would care more I'm not familiar with the company in question, and don't know (nor care) what their publicised political leanings are. I was only commenting on your linking of "liberal" with a far-right demographic. [1] As in this case, where the "progressive" group is championing the rights of the conservative group. In their minds, they have not yet seen the dissonance between what they say they are (liberal, progressive, left) and who they are championing for (conservative, regressive, right).