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Workstation was already rotting for all intents and purposes. Likely Fusion was also rotting since the switch to ARM but never tried it. The entire space ("des

Workstation was already rotting for all intents and purposes. Likely Fusion was also rotting since the switch to ARM but never tried it. The entire space ("desktop virtualization") is dead. Even VirtualBox which I praised a year ago seems to be slowing down. This likely just poisons the well for a market they had all but abandoned.

bee_rider 2y ago
I don’t know anything about high-end workstations really. But I wonder if the whole ecosystem is in a rough spot generally? Seems like cloud tooling is always getting easier. Shame really, people do fun stuff with excess compute.
Thaxll 2y ago
Virtual box was never good, it always felt half baked.
- znpy 2y ago
  Years ago (pre-oracle) it was enough though: i have fond memories of using it with vagrant and be heppy.
  - accrual 2y ago
    Yes, when it was Sun VirtualBox I remember it was a favorite for testing out other operating systems for free with a simple UI. It wasn't the most powerful or flexible, but it's what was recommended if you wanted to (for example) try Ubuntu on your Windows host without dual boot or using another disk, etc.
- AshamedCaptain 2y ago
  My point is that at least their paid support fixed the things I asked them to fix; I cannot say the same of VMware where support was already non-existent a couple years ago (I stopped using them the moment someone here in HN said the entire Workstation staff had been fired and replaced with skeleton overseas crew, and this was way before Broadcom).
ghaff 2y ago
Pretty much all desktop virtualization/VDI/etc. products have been de-emphasized by essentially everybody except to the degree that they're a largely free byproduct of server virtualization. I doubt any company is devoting more than a minimal number of resources to these products--maybe Apple more than others. Red Hat, for example, even sun-setted its "traditional" enterprise virtualization product in favor of Kuvevirt on OpenShift. And a VDI product was pretty much abandoned years ago.
- justinclift 2y ago
  There are new VDI contenders still coming up though. This caught my attention recently (due to trialling Proxmox for another purpose): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLK_i-TQ3kQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLK_i-TQ3kQ There's clearly still demand for VDI solutions too. A recent example: https://forum.proxmox.com/threads/vdi-solution-for-proxmox.143587/ https://forum.proxmox.com/threads/vdi-solution-for-proxmox.1...

bee_rider 2y ago

I don’t know anything about high-end workstations really. But I wonder if the whole ecosystem is in a rough spot generally? Seems like cloud tooling is always getting easier. Shame really, people do fun stuff with excess compute.

Thaxll 2y ago

Virtual box was never good, it always felt half baked.

znpy 2y ago
Years ago (pre-oracle) it was enough though: i have fond memories of using it with vagrant and be heppy.
- accrual 2y ago
  Yes, when it was Sun VirtualBox I remember it was a favorite for testing out other operating systems for free with a simple UI. It wasn't the most powerful or flexible, but it's what was recommended if you wanted to (for example) try Ubuntu on your Windows host without dual boot or using another disk, etc.
AshamedCaptain 2y ago
My point is that at least their paid support fixed the things I asked them to fix; I cannot say the same of VMware where support was already non-existent a couple years ago (I stopped using them the moment someone here in HN said the entire Workstation staff had been fired and replaced with skeleton overseas crew, and this was way before Broadcom).

ghaff 2y ago

Pretty much all desktop virtualization/VDI/etc. products have been de-emphasized by essentially everybody except to the degree that they're a largely free byproduct of server virtualization. I doubt any company is devoting more than a minimal number of resources to these products--maybe Apple more than others. Red Hat, for example, even sun-setted its "traditional" enterprise virtualization product in favor of Kuvevirt on OpenShift. And a VDI product was pretty much abandoned years ago.

justinclift 2y ago
There are new VDI contenders still coming up though. This caught my attention recently (due to trialling Proxmox for another purpose): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLK_i-TQ3kQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLK_i-TQ3kQ There's clearly still demand for VDI solutions too. A recent example: https://forum.proxmox.com/threads/vdi-solution-for-proxmox.143587/ https://forum.proxmox.com/threads/vdi-solution-for-proxmox.1...