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> In the future, people who take the gel could reduce the harmful and intoxicating effects of alcohol. I understand harm reduction but what is the point of re

> In the future, people who take the gel could reduce the harmful and intoxicating effects of alcohol. I understand harm reduction but what is the point of reducing the intoxicating effects of alcohol? What's the point?

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sva_ 2y ago
Yeah people who want that could just drink beer with a low alcohol content (so called "alcohol-free beer", which usually still has some 0.5%)
colecut 2y ago
To drive home? =)
- zolbrek 2y ago
  I would love a supplement with that effect. It's not always fun having to slowly sober up while watching your friends drinking.
alamortsubite 2y ago
Non-alcoholic beer sales are close to $40B/year globally and going up. Generally speaking, the flavor of non-alcoholic beer pales in comparison to the real thing. Then there's also the market for wine and spirits.
- 2024throwaway 2y ago
  There are some new, very good, NA beers on the market these days. Untitled Art and Athletic are two brands that are doing great work.
  - ahahahahah 2y ago
    Yes, those both make some good NA beers. I wouldn't categorize them as good beers, but they are drinkable.
  - alamortsubite 2y ago
    Yes, those are great for NA beers (De Halve Maan's Brugse Sportzot is better). Unfortunately, they're mediocre among normal beers.
  - cpfohl 2y ago
    The Athletic seasonals are way better than their "always available." And the Free Wave is better than the Run Wild for the always available beers. They had an Irish Stout (Emerald Coast) that was indistinguishable. I could have blind taste tested them. There's some fantastic single-hop beers too. I couldn't get into the Untitled Art. Just too sweet.
- ravenstine 2y ago
  > Generally speaking, the flavor of non-alcoholic beer pales in comparison to the real thing. Ehhh... that's a bit of an overstatement, though I mostly agree. I just happened to be doing a crapload of bar hopping this last month and got into trying different non-alcoholic beers because they're way more prevalent than they used to be. They're certainly a lot better than the nonalcoholic beers of yore. And it's also obvious that you're not drinking a traditional beer. Undoubtedly, it has to do with the lack of ethanol present, but I can't help but think it's got to do with the process of producing them. Nonalcoholic beers, from what I've noticed, are usually much less foamy than alcoholic beer. I will generally still drink alcoholic beer since I don't seem to have alcoholism in me, but I think it's great that people are being given options. When I was younger, I really hated it when people would pressure me to drink or act like I'm an alien for not wanting to drink, and nonalcoholic beer is inconspicuous enough that people can drink socially without the peculiar attitude. Although that attitude seems to have largely gone away anyway.
  - postcynical 2y ago
    There's this Danish startup that claims they can put the missing flavour back into the beer using their enzymes: https://evodiabio.com/yops/ https://evodiabio.com/yops/ https://science.ku.dk/english/press/news/2022/researchers-make-non-alcoholic-beer-taste-like-regular-beer/ https://science.ku.dk/english/press/news/2022/researchers-ma...
- triceratops 2y ago
  Why drink grain juice when you could drink fruit juice?
joekrill 2y ago
There's many occasions where I don't want to drink, but not doing so can make things uncomfortable. It's unfortunate, but there's lots of occasions where abstaining can make other people uncomfortable, or cause them to give you a hard time, or any number of other things. I would love to be able to take something that allows me drink but with none of the side effects, just to avoid potential uncomfortable situations. Again, I'm not condoning the behavior and it's unfortunate that this is how society is sometimes. But it would be nice to have this option. There's also people who have difficulty controlling their drinking once they start. This would certainly help in those scenarios. Another example is a situation where a woman may be pregnant so doesn't want to drink, but may not be far enough along that she wants people to know. Not drinking would get people wondering, but drinking could harm the fetus. I don't know if this gel would make drinking safe in that scenario - but if it does, that would be a great situation to use it in.
- throwaway984393 2y ago
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- FredPret 2y ago
  If people are uncomfortable with you not drinking, that's very much on them
  - joekrill 2y ago
    Agreed. And ideally that shouldn't matter. But in the real world there are other consequences and side effects. Maybe I don't want to make them uncomfortable. Maybe I just don't want to deal with the nagging, "busting my chops", or the questions about why I'm not drinking. Maybe I want to avoid some preconceived notions certain people may have about people who don't drink. So even if it's on them, there are still personal reasons I may want to avoid the situation.
    - FredPret 2y ago
      People will take their cue from you as to how to respond. If you act embarrassed about it, they’ll react accordingly. If it’s no big deal to you, same thing for them. I quit cold turkey years ago. I was worried about the same things. But even my most macho & hard-drinking friends just accepted it without comment.
emmanuel_1234 2y ago
From alcohol, I love: - drinking it: I really enjoy the feeling of just ingesting beer, wine or spirits, especially with friends or family - having a nice buzz from it. However, those two things are, for me, incompatible. If I start drinking a little bit, I usually don't stop until I'm way beyond the "nice buzz". As the joke goes, "one beer is not enough, two beers are just enough, three beers really aren't enough". Having something that would allow me to keep drinking without jeopardizing my body, my mind, and the day after would be a huge game changer.
- CaptainOfCoit 2y ago
  Sounds like maybe the "alcohol free"/"0.0%" beer (not really 100% alcohol free) is something you should try. Tastes and looks like beer, but doesn't come with the buzz (which is the thing that your brain hooks into and uses to tell you it isn't enough yet).
  - iamthirsty 2y ago
    > Tastes and looks like beer I have tried almost every major non-alcoholic beer in the U.S., and none of them truly taste exactly like beer.
    - pjot 2y ago
      There’s a brand I’ve seen in stores called “Athletic” and it’s nearly indistinguishable
    - badgersnake 2y ago
      Over in the UK I think Adnams Ghost Ship 0.5% is the best one commonly available that I’ve had. Most of them are far too sweet.
    - Nursie 2y ago
      They are improving all the time. Some are really good. If you like german weissbeer then Franziskaner Alkoholfrei is more or less indistiguishable to me. There are other good ones too.
Maximus9000 2y ago
Take this gel at the end of the night so that you don't have a hangover the next day?
aredox 2y ago
Alcohol is a solvent for many flavours. That's why you have a lot of it in perfumes, and that's why alcohol-free drinks don't taste as good as the originals. In Europe, we drink a lot of alcohol with food exactly for that reason (wine dissolves the fats of the sauce or just the meat and mixes and enhances the taste). I'd really like to enjoy it without any drunkenness afterwards nor any effect on my health.
- pavlov 2y ago
  Yeah, if there was a product that would let me enjoy real wine but the effect of the alcohol would be similar to a 3% mild beer, I would use that fairly often. A typical wine at 11-12% is a bit too strong for many situations.
rfrey 2y ago
The hardest part of reducing my alcohol consumption is that I love red wine so much. The flavor, the aroma, the acidity, everything. I have stopped drinking all alcohol except red wine because of the health effects. I would be delighted to have a way to drink wine without any intoxication.
- testless 2y ago
  Red wine being healthy is a myth. But misunderstood, see below…
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  - 0xffff2 2y ago
    GP is saying they have stopped drinking most alcohol (all except red wine) because of the [negative] health effects.
  - rpmisms 2y ago
    It has health benefits. The alcohol in it is no better for you than any other alcohol.
  - rfrey 2y ago
    I know red wine is just as bad for me as any other alcohol, which is to say quite bad, and in any dose. I meant I've largely quit because of that. But I just can't quit you, Red Wine.
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odiroot 2y ago
To enjoy consuming alcoholic drinks without being intoxicated?
DennisP 2y ago
It's great for spies. As I've learned from movies, it's important for them to hold their booze better than their sources.
lallysingh 2y ago
Almost any social drinking setting is going to have some people drink more than they're comfortable with. Having some way to mitigate the effects is wonderful.
sureIy 2y ago
Intoxicating. If you get the root of that word you might figure out the answer.
standardUser 2y ago
I like really strong drinks like overproof whiskey and IPAs and craft cocktails, which can be shockingly alcoholic sometimes. It would be nice to have essentially a higher alcohol tolerance so I could drink the drinks I like most more freely. Now, I usually just eat a huge meal before I drink a lot, but a pill would be much better.

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sva_ 2y ago

Yeah people who want that could just drink beer with a low alcohol content (so called "alcohol-free beer", which usually still has some 0.5%)

colecut 2y ago

To drive home? =)

zolbrek 2y ago
I would love a supplement with that effect. It's not always fun having to slowly sober up while watching your friends drinking.

alamortsubite 2y ago

Non-alcoholic beer sales are close to $40B/year globally and going up. Generally speaking, the flavor of non-alcoholic beer pales in comparison to the real thing. Then there's also the market for wine and spirits.

2024throwaway 2y ago
There are some new, very good, NA beers on the market these days. Untitled Art and Athletic are two brands that are doing great work.
- ahahahahah 2y ago
  Yes, those both make some good NA beers. I wouldn't categorize them as good beers, but they are drinkable.
- alamortsubite 2y ago
  Yes, those are great for NA beers (De Halve Maan's Brugse Sportzot is better). Unfortunately, they're mediocre among normal beers.
- cpfohl 2y ago
  The Athletic seasonals are way better than their "always available." And the Free Wave is better than the Run Wild for the always available beers. They had an Irish Stout (Emerald Coast) that was indistinguishable. I could have blind taste tested them. There's some fantastic single-hop beers too. I couldn't get into the Untitled Art. Just too sweet.
ravenstine 2y ago
> Generally speaking, the flavor of non-alcoholic beer pales in comparison to the real thing. Ehhh... that's a bit of an overstatement, though I mostly agree. I just happened to be doing a crapload of bar hopping this last month and got into trying different non-alcoholic beers because they're way more prevalent than they used to be. They're certainly a lot better than the nonalcoholic beers of yore. And it's also obvious that you're not drinking a traditional beer. Undoubtedly, it has to do with the lack of ethanol present, but I can't help but think it's got to do with the process of producing them. Nonalcoholic beers, from what I've noticed, are usually much less foamy than alcoholic beer. I will generally still drink alcoholic beer since I don't seem to have alcoholism in me, but I think it's great that people are being given options. When I was younger, I really hated it when people would pressure me to drink or act like I'm an alien for not wanting to drink, and nonalcoholic beer is inconspicuous enough that people can drink socially without the peculiar attitude. Although that attitude seems to have largely gone away anyway.
- postcynical 2y ago
  There's this Danish startup that claims they can put the missing flavour back into the beer using their enzymes: https://evodiabio.com/yops/ https://evodiabio.com/yops/ https://science.ku.dk/english/press/news/2022/researchers-make-non-alcoholic-beer-taste-like-regular-beer/ https://science.ku.dk/english/press/news/2022/researchers-ma...
triceratops 2y ago
Why drink grain juice when you could drink fruit juice?

joekrill 2y ago

There's many occasions where I don't want to drink, but not doing so can make things uncomfortable. It's unfortunate, but there's lots of occasions where abstaining can make other people uncomfortable, or cause them to give you a hard time, or any number of other things. I would love to be able to take something that allows me drink but with none of the side effects, just to avoid potential uncomfortable situations. Again, I'm not condoning the behavior and it's unfortunate that this is how society is sometimes. But it would be nice to have this option. There's also people who have difficulty controlling their drinking once they start. This would certainly help in those scenarios. Another example is a situation where a woman may be pregnant so doesn't want to drink, but may not be far enough along that she wants people to know. Not drinking would get people wondering, but drinking could harm the fetus. I don't know if this gel would make drinking safe in that scenario - but if it does, that would be a great situation to use it in.

throwaway984393 2y ago
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FredPret 2y ago
If people are uncomfortable with you not drinking, that's very much on them
- joekrill 2y ago
  Agreed. And ideally that shouldn't matter. But in the real world there are other consequences and side effects. Maybe I don't want to make them uncomfortable. Maybe I just don't want to deal with the nagging, "busting my chops", or the questions about why I'm not drinking. Maybe I want to avoid some preconceived notions certain people may have about people who don't drink. So even if it's on them, there are still personal reasons I may want to avoid the situation.
  - FredPret 2y ago
    People will take their cue from you as to how to respond. If you act embarrassed about it, they’ll react accordingly. If it’s no big deal to you, same thing for them. I quit cold turkey years ago. I was worried about the same things. But even my most macho & hard-drinking friends just accepted it without comment.

emmanuel_1234 2y ago

From alcohol, I love: - drinking it: I really enjoy the feeling of just ingesting beer, wine or spirits, especially with friends or family - having a nice buzz from it. However, those two things are, for me, incompatible. If I start drinking a little bit, I usually don't stop until I'm way beyond the "nice buzz". As the joke goes, "one beer is not enough, two beers are just enough, three beers really aren't enough". Having something that would allow me to keep drinking without jeopardizing my body, my mind, and the day after would be a huge game changer.

CaptainOfCoit 2y ago
Sounds like maybe the "alcohol free"/"0.0%" beer (not really 100% alcohol free) is something you should try. Tastes and looks like beer, but doesn't come with the buzz (which is the thing that your brain hooks into and uses to tell you it isn't enough yet).
- iamthirsty 2y ago
  > Tastes and looks like beer I have tried almost every major non-alcoholic beer in the U.S., and none of them truly taste exactly like beer.
  - pjot 2y ago
    There’s a brand I’ve seen in stores called “Athletic” and it’s nearly indistinguishable
  - badgersnake 2y ago
    Over in the UK I think Adnams Ghost Ship 0.5% is the best one commonly available that I’ve had. Most of them are far too sweet.
  - Nursie 2y ago
    They are improving all the time. Some are really good. If you like german weissbeer then Franziskaner Alkoholfrei is more or less indistiguishable to me. There are other good ones too.

Maximus9000 2y ago

Take this gel at the end of the night so that you don't have a hangover the next day?

aredox 2y ago

Alcohol is a solvent for many flavours. That's why you have a lot of it in perfumes, and that's why alcohol-free drinks don't taste as good as the originals. In Europe, we drink a lot of alcohol with food exactly for that reason (wine dissolves the fats of the sauce or just the meat and mixes and enhances the taste). I'd really like to enjoy it without any drunkenness afterwards nor any effect on my health.

pavlov 2y ago
Yeah, if there was a product that would let me enjoy real wine but the effect of the alcohol would be similar to a 3% mild beer, I would use that fairly often. A typical wine at 11-12% is a bit too strong for many situations.

rfrey 2y ago

The hardest part of reducing my alcohol consumption is that I love red wine so much. The flavor, the aroma, the acidity, everything. I have stopped drinking all alcohol except red wine because of the health effects. I would be delighted to have a way to drink wine without any intoxication.

testless 2y ago
Red wine being healthy is a myth. But misunderstood, see below…
- deleted 2y ago
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- 0xffff2 2y ago
  GP is saying they have stopped drinking most alcohol (all except red wine) because of the [negative] health effects.
- rpmisms 2y ago
  It has health benefits. The alcohol in it is no better for you than any other alcohol.
- rfrey 2y ago
  I know red wine is just as bad for me as any other alcohol, which is to say quite bad, and in any dose. I meant I've largely quit because of that. But I just can't quit you, Red Wine.

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odiroot 2y ago

To enjoy consuming alcoholic drinks without being intoxicated?

DennisP 2y ago

It's great for spies. As I've learned from movies, it's important for them to hold their booze better than their sources.

lallysingh 2y ago

Almost any social drinking setting is going to have some people drink more than they're comfortable with. Having some way to mitigate the effects is wonderful.

sureIy 2y ago

Intoxicating. If you get the root of that word you might figure out the answer.

standardUser 2y ago

I like really strong drinks like overproof whiskey and IPAs and craft cocktails, which can be shockingly alcoholic sometimes. It would be nice to have essentially a higher alcohol tolerance so I could drink the drinks I like most more freely. Now, I usually just eat a huge meal before I drink a lot, but a pill would be much better.