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I'm not aware that Microsoft has a "return-to-office" mandate. Maybe that's only for some employees? I know quite a few people on product teams who are 100% rem

I'm not aware that Microsoft has a "return-to-office" mandate. Maybe that's only for some employees? I know quite a few people on product teams who are 100% remote.

wahnfrieden 2y ago
They reportedly have an RTO mandate for all employees. Managers can override the mandate, and can withdraw their approval forcing them back to the RTO mandate default. I expect driving senior talent away is part of the strategy - the senior talent demands the highest compensation, which is what these employers are combatting industry-wide and in coordination. They want to hire them back at lower wages later on.
jjulius 2y ago
If we read the article instead of just the headline, we see that it makes clear that Microsoft has a hybrid arrangement, and that said hybrid arrangement has still resulted in a loss of employees. >Microsoft, which also enacted a hybrid RTO approach, saw a decline of 5 percentage points.
- legitster 2y ago
  In that case it's really hard to pin it on RTO.
  - zem 2y ago
    going from remote to hybrid is still RTO, just not full RTO
    - paleotrope 2y ago
      Yeah I mean it doesn't capture the people that moved after wfh was implemented. Hybrid is appealing if your office is 500 miles away. Claiming it's hybrid is disingenuous imo.
  - whatevaa 2y ago
    Something like 3 days per week is pretty much RTO.
  - 0cf8612b2e1e 2y ago
    It sounds like it is group dependent. Some managers might insist on firm RTO. Hard to get to that level of nuance from high level numbers.
- olliej 2y ago
  “Hybrid RTO” is still RTO. Requiring people to come to the office 3 days a week for no reason other than executives and managers getting off on control is moronic. “Hybrid” RTO has literally no benefit over RTO except for being able to say “hybrid”. It forces all of the same problems as RTO - cost and location of living, planning for not being home, massive commute times, etc

I'm not aware that Microsoft has a "return-to-office" mandate. Maybe that's only for some employees? I know quite a few people on product teams who are 100% remote.

wahnfrieden 2y ago

They reportedly have an RTO mandate for all employees. Managers can override the mandate, and can withdraw their approval forcing them back to the RTO mandate default. I expect driving senior talent away is part of the strategy - the senior talent demands the highest compensation, which is what these employers are combatting industry-wide and in coordination. They want to hire them back at lower wages later on.

jjulius 2y ago

If we read the article instead of just the headline, we see that it makes clear that Microsoft has a hybrid arrangement, and that said hybrid arrangement has still resulted in a loss of employees. >Microsoft, which also enacted a hybrid RTO approach, saw a decline of 5 percentage points.

legitster 2y ago
In that case it's really hard to pin it on RTO.
- zem 2y ago
  going from remote to hybrid is still RTO, just not full RTO
  - paleotrope 2y ago
    Yeah I mean it doesn't capture the people that moved after wfh was implemented. Hybrid is appealing if your office is 500 miles away. Claiming it's hybrid is disingenuous imo.
- whatevaa 2y ago
  Something like 3 days per week is pretty much RTO.
- 0cf8612b2e1e 2y ago
  It sounds like it is group dependent. Some managers might insist on firm RTO. Hard to get to that level of nuance from high level numbers.
olliej 2y ago
“Hybrid RTO” is still RTO. Requiring people to come to the office 3 days a week for no reason other than executives and managers getting off on control is moronic. “Hybrid” RTO has literally no benefit over RTO except for being able to say “hybrid”. It forces all of the same problems as RTO - cost and location of living, planning for not being home, massive commute times, etc